Spreadneighbours in next beta patch

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Since I happen to have just made this chart for another thread I figured I'd post it here too. I will consider suggestions for additional links (or removal of links) if a good case is presented for it.

between 1 Vestisland		and 36 Orkney
between 1 Vestisland		and 275 Trøndelag
between 5 Ulaid			and 49 Carrick
between 11 Dublin		and 32 Bristol
between 11 Dublin		and 49 Carrick
between 11 Dublin		and 54 Isle of Man
between 16 Laigin		and 29 Devon
between 16 Laigin		and 54 Isle of Man
between 26 Hampshire		and 78 Brugge
between 26 Hampshire		and 97 Arques
between 26 Hampshire		and 143 Saintonge
between 27 Dorset		and 78 Brugge
between 27 Dorset		and 143 Saintonge
between 33 Faereyar		and 34 Shetland
between 34 Shetland		and 36 Orkney
between 34 Shetland		and 275 Trøndelag
between 35 Western Isles	and 38 Sutherland
between 35 Western Isles	and 54 Isle of Man
between 36 Orkney		and 37 Caithness
between 48 Lothian		and 72 Essex
between 54 Isle of Man		and 60 Perfeddwlad
between 57 York			and 274 Bergenshus
between 72 Essex		and 78 Brugge
between 73 Kent			and 74 Guines
between 78 Brugge		and 106 Nantes
between 78 Brugge		and 261 Hamburg
between 78 Brugge		and 274 Bergenshus
between 106 Nantes		and 156 Compostela
between 143 Saintonge		and 156 Compostela
between 143 Saintonge		and 160 Lisboa
between 143 Saintonge		and 165 Cadiz
between 143 Saintonge		and 261 Hamburg
between 153 Viscaya		and 160 Lisboa
between 156 Compostela		and 160 Lisboa
between 160 Lisboa		and 171 Valencia
between 160 Lisboa		and 848 Canarias
between 165 Cadiz		and 171 Valencia
between 165 Cadiz		and 221 Provence
between 165 Cadiz		and 827 Mallorca
between 165 Cadiz		and 839 Cebta
between 165 Cadiz		and 844 Massat
between 167 Malaga		and 836 Snassen
between 167 Malaga		and 839 Cebta
between 168 Almeria		and 839 Cebta
between 171 Valencia		and 233 Genoa
between 171 Valencia		and 827 Mallorca
between 221 Provence		and 334 Napoli
between 221 Provence		and 341 Trapani
between 233 Genoa		and 324 Corsica
between 233 Genoa		and 334 Napoli
between 233 Genoa		and 339 Messina
between 233 Genoa		and 341 Trapani
between 233 Genoa		and 496 Byzantion
between 233 Genoa		and 802 Alexandria
between 233 Genoa		and 827 Mallorca
between 252 Ulm			and 522 Pest
between 261 Hamburg		and 272 Akershus
between 261 Hamburg		and 274 Bergenshus
between 262 Lübeck		and 266 Sjaelland
between 262 Lübeck		and 272 Akershus
between 262 Lübeck		and 303 Skåne
between 262 Lübeck		and 304 Rügen
between 263 Holstein		and 264 Slesvig
between 264 Slesvig		and 265 Fyn
between 265 Fyn			and 266 Sjaelland
between 266 Sjaelland		and 303 Skåne
between 280 Västerbotten	and 386 Kemi
between 290 Uppland		and 291 Åland
between 290 Uppland		and 301 Gotland
between 291 Åland		and 381 Nyland
between 291 Åland		and 382 Finland
between 292 Södermanland	and 301 Gotland
between 299 Kalmar Län		and 300 Öland
between 300 Öland		and 301 Gotland
between 301 Gotland		and 303 Skåne
between 301 Gotland		and 374 Zemigalians
between 301 Gotland		and 375 Lettigalians
between 301 Gotland		and 376 Ösel
between 303 Skåne		and 305 Bornholm
between 304 Rügen		and 305 Bornholm
between 304 Rügen		and 308 Wolgast
between 304 Rügen		and 368 Danzig
between 305 Bornholm		and 368 Danzig
between 323 Lucca		and 324 Corsica
between 323 Lucca		and 334 Napoli
between 324 Corsica		and 325 Arborea
between 324 Corsica		and 326 Cagliari
between 326 Cagliari		and 339 Messina
between 326 Cagliari		and 827 Mallorca
between 334 Napoli		and 339 Messina
between 334 Napoli		and 341 Trapani
between 334 Napoli		and 356 Venezia
between 338 Reggio		and 339 Messina
between 339 Messina		and 347 Apulia
between 341 Trapani		and 812 Malta
between 341 Trapani		and 817 Tunis
between 343 Siracusa		and 347 Apulia
between 343 Siracusa		and 808 Benghazi
between 343 Siracusa		and 811 Tripolitana
between 343 Siracusa		and 812 Malta
between 347 Apulia		and 356 Venezia
between 347 Apulia		and 470 Dyrrachion
between 356 Venezia		and 468 Ragusa
between 356 Venezia		and 480 Chandax
between 356 Venezia		and 496 Byzantion
between 356 Venezia		and 802 Alexandria
between 368 Danzig		and 374 Zemigalians
between 368 Danzig		and 375 Lettigalians
between 373 Kurs		and 376 Ösel
between 374 Zemigalians		and 376 Ösel
between 376 Ösel		and 378 Reval
between 378 Reval		and 381 Nyland
between 468 Ragusa		and 477 Methone
between 470 Dyrrachion		and 474 Corfu
between 474 Corfu		and 477 Methone
between 477 Methone		and 490 Thessalonike
between 480 Chandax		and 496 Byzantion
between 480 Chandax		and 763 Alexandretta
between 480 Chandax		and 764 Antiocheia
between 480 Chandax		and 802 Alexandria
between 482 Atheniai		and 484 Naxos
between 482 Atheniai		and 485 Euboia
between 482 Atheniai		and 490 Thessalonike
between 482 Atheniai		and 496 Byzantion
between 483 Rhodos		and 484 Naxos
between 483 Rhodos		and 747 Lykia
between 483 Rhodos		and 756 Limisol
between 483 Rhodos		and 802 Alexandria
between 484 Naxos		and 485 Euboia
between 484 Naxos		and 486 Samos
between 485 Euboia		and 486 Samos
between 485 Euboia		and 487 Lesbos
between 486 Samos		and 487 Lesbos
between 486 Samos		and 745 Smyrna
between 487 Lesbos		and 490 Thessalonike
between 487 Lesbos		and 744 Abydos
between 487 Lesbos		and 745 Smyrna
between 490 Thessalonike	and 482 Atheniai
between 490 Thessalonike	and 496 Byzantion
between 496 Byzantion		and 542 Olvia
between 496 Byzantion		and 562 Korchev
between 496 Byzantion		and 596 Tana
between 496 Byzantion		and 678 Trapezous
between 496 Byzantion		and 739 Sinope
between 496 Byzantion		and 741 Nikomedeia
between 496 Byzantion		and 742 Prusa
between 505 Belgrade		and 512 Belgorod
between 505 Belgrade		and 522 Pest
between 542 Olvia		and 547 Kiev
between 632 Khorasan		and 646 Esfahan
between 641 Hormuz		and 649 Basra
between 646 Esfahan		and 693 Baghdad
between 649 Basra		and 653 Bahrein
between 649 Basra		and 693 Baghdad
between 693 Baghdad		and 728 Damascus
between 728 Damascus		and 733 Aleppo
between 756 Limisol		and 764 Antiocheia
between 756 Limisol		and 770 Beirut
between 756 Limisol		and 772 Acre
between 757 Famagusta		and 763 Alexandretta
between 757 Famagusta		and 772 Acre
between 770 Beirut		and 802 Alexandria
between 772 Acre		and 802 Alexandria
between 796 Cairo		and 802 Alexandria
between 808 Benghazi		and 811 Tripolitana
between 811 Tripolitana		and 817 Tunis
between 826 Menorca		and 827 Mallorca
between 844 Massat		and 848 Canarias
between 846 Ifni		and 848 Canarias

 

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It looks really smart, but exactly...what is it? I'm curious.

 

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Spreadneighbours, ie what provinces are considered neighbours for spreading events in addition to provinces sharing a land border.

 

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So traditional trade routes?

 

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Probably add:
Mecca <-> Jerusalem
Medina <-> Jerusalem
Those were the 3 holiest book sites of Islam and many pilgramages went between the 3 sites so that reguardless of whichever branch of islam the people were, these sites were holy to all of them.

 

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Probably add:
Mecca <-> Jerusalem
Medina <-> Jerusalem
Those were the 3 holiest book sites of Islam and many pilgramages went between the 3 sites so that reguardless of whichever branch of islam the people were, these sites were holy to all of them.

I agree, but I add an extra relay point between those two.
Mecca <-> Petra <-> Jerusalem

In case of inland routes, it's better that spreadneighbours are sapced about 2-4 provinces.Because advances spread through the land slower than water routes.Instead of this, caravans have many bases to call.

And adding spreadneighbours more, MTTH should be re-examined.
I roughly add 250 to MTTH in my game.

 

[Gaute65]

between 482 Atheniai		and 490 Thessalonike


between 490 Thessalonike	and 482 Atheniai

Is this correct?

 

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between 482 Atheniai		and 490 Thessalonike


between 490 Thessalonike	and 482 Atheniai

Is this correct?

Hm....a redundant one. It wouldn't cause a problem but I'll remove it anyway.

 

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Alexandria <-> Cairo <-> Mecca (i thought about skipping Cairo, but while the port wasn't that major in this time period, it was a point that much of the cargo traveled through).
Mecca <-> Al Hasa To represent both travel around the cost and also the little travel across the desert, but mostly the former.
Damascus <-> Beirut I'm not sure if it should be here or Jerusalem, but am going with Beruit for now because its a linkup with alexadria. The reason i say perhaps Jerusalem is many pilgramages also came from there to/from Baghdad.

 

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Bumped for MrT.

I checked again. Either i have a bad spreadingneighbors.txt in my may patch or something was missed.

Just FE: there is no links at all to mecca or medina FE so i know its wrong right there.

 

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Basically its these:
Mecca <-> Petra <-> Jerusalem
Medina <-> Petra

Alexandria <-> Cairo <-> Mecca

Mecca <-> Al Hasa

Damascus <-> Beirut
Damascus <-> Jerusalem

Removal of one of these:

between 482 Atheniai		and 490 Thessalonike
between 490 Thessalonike	and 482 Atheniai

 

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Digging up relevant IDs yourself will help even more.

 

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i may later...still some are up there already...damascus and beirut.

 

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Okies. Will add to my to do list fo rthis week.

 

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Mecca <-> Petra <-> Jerusalem
Medina <-> Petra

718;722
719;722
722;744

Alexandria <-> Cairo <-> Mecca

Actually should be:
Alexandria <-> Sarqihya <-> Mecca

719;790
790;802

Mecca <-> Al Hasa

652;719

Damascus <-> Beirut
Damascus <-> Jerusalem

720;728
720;744

 

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Ta very much.

Edit:

Double check this but I think I've got it all correctly updated now:

1;36
1;275
5;49
11;32
11;49
11;54
16;29
16;54
26;78
26;97
26;143
27;78
27;143
33;34
34;36
34;275
35;38
35;54
36;37
48;72
54;60
57;274
72;78
73;74
78;106
78;261
78;274
106;156
143;156
143;160
143;165
143;261
153;160
156;160
160;171
160;848
165;171
165;221
165;827
165;839
165;844
167;836
167;839
168;839
171;233
171;827
221;334
221;341
233;324
233;334
233;339
233;341
233;496
233;802
233;827
252;522
261;272
261;274
262;266
262;272
262;303
262;304
263;264
264;265
265;266
266;303
280;386
290;291
290;301
291;381
291;382
292;301
299;300
300;301
301;303
301;374
301;375
301;376
303;305
304;305
304;308
304;368
305;368
323;324
323;334
324;325
324;326
326;339
326;827
334;339
334;341
334;356
338;339
339;347
341;812
341;817
343;347
343;808
343;811
343;812
347;356
347;470
356;468
356;480
356;496
356;802
368;374
368;375
373;376
374;376
376;378
378;381
468;477
470;474
474;477
477;490
480;496
480;763
480;764
480;802
482;484
482;485
482;490
482;496
483;484
483;747
483;756
483;802
484;485
484;486
485;486
485;487
486;487
486;745
487;490
487;744
487;745
490;482
490;496
496;542
496;562
496;596
496;678
496;739
496;741
496;742
505;512
505;522
542;547
632;646
641;649
646;693
649;653
649;693
652;719
693;728
718;722
719;722
719;790
720;728
720;744
722;744
728;733
756;764
756;770
756;772
757;763
757;772
770;802
772;802
790;802
796;802
808;811
811;817
826;827
844;848
846;848
-1;-1