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If in world we have 2 (or more) popes any independent ruler should can select "Which Pope do we accepted?". This can lead to division of catholic world on 2 (and more) more parts and few new diplomatic, interesting situations (eg. ending alliance or friendship due to the conflict about popes/antipopes) and real great schism in west world.

Next element of this would be - join to war in defence/installation "true pope". In extremal situation this can lead to great, european, religious total war before Thirty Years War ;)
 
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We got this suggestion plenty of times already amd since HF picks up almost every demand ever made I believe everything is possible by now.

I would like this and hope HF brings us this mechanic.
 

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I like the idea, but I would only want to see the AI take this action under extreme circumstances (such as having been excommunicated by the reigning pope, the reigning pope being "wicked" AND the AI ruler preferring the antipope in terms of opinion, or when the antipope or his liege are of the AI ruler's dynasty.) Also probably not joining the war to install the antipope in Rome would get them sent to the dog house.

Really the main problem I see with this is church taxation. What ruler is going to tell his bishops "I appreciate that we all hate the pope, but I don't want your taxes, send them over to that guy who's not even the Bishop of Rome, please."
 

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We got this suggestion plenty of times already amd since HF picks up almost every demand ever made I believe everything is possible by now.

I would like this and hope HF brings us this mechanic.
At this rate Holy Fury might get here in my lifetime, or my heir's, maybe his heir if he's lucky
 

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I like the idea, but I would only want to see the AI take this action under extreme circumstances (such as having been excommunicated by the reigning pope, the reigning pope being "wicked" AND the AI ruler preferring the antipope in terms of opinion, or when the antipope or his liege are of the AI ruler's dynasty.) Also probably not joining the war to install the antipope in Rome would get them sent to the dog house.

Really the main problem I see with this is church taxation. What ruler is going to tell his bishops "I appreciate that we all hate the pope, but I don't want your taxes, send them over to that guy who's not even the Bishop of Rome, please."

Except... that's exactly what happened.
 

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Did anyone ever line up behind an antipope from another realm in actual history? I'm not much of a papal history scholar. I can't imagine a player wanting to do it.

Quiet offen. The best exemple would be the Western Schism, were Catholism was split into two lines of popes. The one in Rome and the line in Avignon, backed by the French kings.
 

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We got this suggestion plenty of times already amd since HF picks up almost every demand ever made I believe everything is possible by now.

I would like this and hope HF brings us this mechanic.
HF will likely be the last DLC for CK2, hence the abnormal development time and sheer scale of the content
Whatever HF adds in baring patches and bug fixes will likely be what Ck2 is for the rest of its life-cycle

Heres to hoping for a Ck3 in the next couple years
 

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HF will likely be the last DLC for CK2, hence the abnormal development time and sheer scale of the content
Whatever HF adds in baring patches and bug fixes will likely be what Ck2 is for the rest of its life-cycle

Heres to hoping for a Ck3 in the next couple years

Even if it’s the last DLC they will nit stop fixing Bugs instantly. Leaving a buggy ultimate version is bad for the companies reputation.

CK3 will most likely take a while. Maybe 8 years after the last DLC.
 

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Even if it’s the last DLC they will nit stop fixing Bugs instantly. Leaving a buggy ultimate version is bad for the companies reputation.

CK3 will most likely take a while. Maybe 8 years after the last DLC.

Absolutely not, PDX dev cycle is far more rapid than you're estimating. You will see one major patch after the last DLC and never hear from them again until CK3 is here, which will be within 4 years for sure. It was 3 years and 9 months from hearts of iron 3's last DLC to hearts of iron 4. It was 3 years and nine months from EUIII's last DLC to EUIV.
 

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Absolutely not, PDX dev cycle is far more rapid than you're estimating. You will see one major patch after the last DLC and never hear from them again until CK3 is here, which will be within 4 years for sure. It was 3 years and 9 months from hearts of iron 3's last DLC to hearts of iron 4. It was 3 years and nine months from EUIII's last DLC to EUIV.
EU is main series in Pdx grand-strategy-games. Therefore this go faster. Other titles go slower - we still wait on Victoria 3.

But this is small offtop ;)
 

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I'll get swatted for saying it, but you're still waiting on Vicky 3 because they're not making it. They're more likely to feed most of Vicky's timeline to EUIV for an expansion and roll WWI into HOI than to give you Vicky 3.
 

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EU is main series in Pdx grand-strategy-games. Therefore this go faster. Other titles go slower - we still wait on Victoria 3.

But this is small offtop ;)

Victoria is a completelly different topic. They didn't make it because Chris King, the maind eveloper of Victoria 2, left Paradox. So there was nobody who could work on it or was willing to do it. That's the reason why there is no Victoria 3 yet.
Victoria is the exception for Paradox, not th rule. ALso CK2 is also a main series in PDX. CK2 was the game which made Paradox great.
 

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Absolutely not, PDX dev cycle is far more rapid than you're estimating. You will see one major patch after the last DLC and never hear from them again until CK3 is here, which will be within 4 years for sure. It was 3 years and 9 months from hearts of iron 3's last DLC to hearts of iron 4. It was 3 years and nine months from EUIII's last DLC to EUIV.

It was about 8 years for Rome 2. Also they willfor sure not fed Voctoria to other games, because if the do O gonna cry ;)
 

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The only way Vicky 3 is happening, imo, is if it's being held in reserve to be the first Klauswitz 3 release. But I doubt it. You can draw lines on history all you want and try to argue you need a post-napoleonic game before the great wars, but it's a tiny slice of history begging to be chopped into DLC for its chronological neighbors.
 

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Victoria is the exception for Paradox, not th rule. ALso CK2 is also a main series in PDX. CK2 was the game which made Paradox great.
Victoria is exception in this same style, like a CK2 is main series. First - CK2 isn't series but single game. Current CK2 is one of main games, but isn't main series - is only part of series. Like a Doctor Who season 5 episode 2 isn't whole series of Doctor Who but only part. CK1 had 1 expansion (Deus Vult) realesed 3 years after base game. EU3 had every year after realesed new expansion. HoI2 and HoI3 also.

By CK2 PDX started changes in own politics - total cooperation the game in internet platform (steam) and development by (optional) DLC and free patches. This mean, that I can play with you, even if you haven't any DLC. Before to instalation of last expansion you need all earliest expansions - you cannot play in Divine Wind (expansion to EU3) if you haven't Napoleon's Ambition. Old system had also many defects, but this in other times and new system have many new advantages. But this doesn't mean, that CK is main series.

And often we have information from devs, that developing CK2 go to end. And games of Pdx isn't in style sport-games, that there is possible still sell this same titles in every new season (eg. series Fifa). Ubisoft made mistake, that he published new Heroes (HoMM/MM:H) in too close time (5 and 6) and for players this wasn't acceptable - players felt exploit, like lamers.

Pdx must create new titles, therefore new game will be "Imperator:Rome" and concept about CK3 is official rejected in close plans.

And the most important - our right to "waiting for V3" isn't worse than right other peoples to "waiting for CK3", because now CK2 have high ground.
 

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And the most important - our right to "waiting for V3" isn't worse than right other peoples to "waiting for CK3", because now CK2 have high ground.

Are not you "V3 - waiters" allways compromising this when someone wants CK3? Your standard answers are "Not before V3". Never heard the opposite... Just look at this thread.. Someone mentions CK3 and suddenly V3 is on topic... Why not discuss V3 on the V2 forum so we can discuss CK3 here, in the right forum?

I rarely check the other game- forums.. is this behavour all over the place?
 

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Are not you "V3 - waiters" allways compromising this when someone wants CK3? Your standard answers are "Not before V3". Never heard the opposite... Just look at this thread.. Someone mentions CK3 and suddenly V3 is on topic... Why not discuss V3 on the V2 forum so we can discuss CK3 here, in the right forum?

I rarely check the other game- forums.. is this behavour all over the place?


Pretty much because CK2 still gets support, while Vic2 doesn’t.