Speculations on Morale

[loveslater]

If you could make an analogy or describe, hypothetically, in real life

what would be the difference in troop quality between the following:


a) Troop with 110 % disciple and 3.0 morale


b) Troop with 95% disciple and 7.0 morale


c) Troop with 130 % disciple and 10.6 morale

:ninja:

 

[Tub]

a) Somewhat trained, but disillusioned and reluctant to fight. They'll know drills and how to follow orders - but at the first sign of trouble, they'll abandon the battle and desert.

b) Untrained, but really enthusiastic about fighting. A peasant mob that really loves their commander - a peasant revolt, for example.

c) These troops are some of the best, and they know it. They've received extensive training, and are fiercely patriotic - Napoleon's Grande Armeé would be an example of this.

Why the angry face?

 

[delpiero1234]

Why the angry face?

Don't you know loveslater He's like the king of trolls on the EU IV forums :rofl:

 

[Schmoekoeksklok]

a) French

b) Scottish

c) AMERICANS!

 

[unmerged(522656)]

a) french
b) scottish
c) ottoman (americans really?)

 

[iLoveApples]

a) french
b) scottish
c) ottoman (americans really?)

Why not? It never said it was limited to EUIV's timeframe.

 

[Tub]

Why not? It never said it was limited to EUIV's timeframe.

I wouldn't have said American soldiers were well known for the discipline and morale than any other country...

If discipline counts as having huge-ass tanks and jet fighters, then that's a different story.

 

[Schmoekoeksklok]

a) french
b) scottish
c) ottoman (americans really?)

I should have used some more exclamation marks and mix in a couple 1's to make it clear that that was not a serious answer I guess

 

[Comradebot]

I wouldn't have said American soldiers were well known for the discipline and morale than any other country...

If discipline counts as having huge-ass tanks and jet fighters, then that's a different story.

Yes, because it was those tanks and jetfighters that allowed the Navy Seals, in very choppy conditions while on a boat and shooting at a target on a different boat, to squeeze off nothing but Somali pirate headshots.

 

[Tub]

Yes, because it was those tanks and jetfighters that allowed the Navy Seals, in very choppy conditions while on a boat and shooting at a target on a different boat, to squeeze off nothing but Somali pirate headshots.

Every modern Army has an extremely well trained corps in it, the US isn't an exception. I'm not trying to specifically put the Americans down, I'm just saying that they're not unique.

 

[DanubianCossak]

If you could make an analogy or describe, hypothetically, in real life

what would be the difference in troop quality between the following:


a) Troop with 110 % disciple and 3.0 morale


b) Troop with 95% disciple and 7.0 morale


c) Troop with 130 % disciple and 10.6 morale

:ninja:

a.) Army that is well equipped and organized. But has no internal unit cohesion. If they fight a weaker enemy, they will perform as expected. If they sustain huge casualties, their quality will decrease. Its a "first strike" blizkrieg army. Hence Germany WW2. If you survive the first assault, and you have ground to give, youll win eventually.

b.) Army that is neither well equipped nor organized, but an army that is fighting for a cause. Think of any small country invaded by a larger country. If you think that someone is coming to burn down your home, youll fight, cause you cant afford to lose. Even if you cant match the enemy's quality, youll fight like a lion and make up for it. An enemy that is backed against the wall and has no room to retreat will fight tenaciously. Scots in Brave Heart perhaps?

c.) A well organized army that has an established and proven leadership, a clear and realistic set of goals. Basically what Sun Tsu means by "if you know yourself and your enemy, you need not fear the result of any battle". I dunno, Nappy's Frenchies maybe? Someone who goes out in the field, seeks out the battle and wins.

 

[Ivashanko]

Every modern Army has an extremely well trained corps in it, the US isn't an exception. I'm not trying to specifically put the Americans down, I'm just saying that they're not unique.

I'd actually arguing something different- America's extremely well trained corps aren't as good as a few other countries' well trained corps, but its regular units are far better trained, requited, and tactically led than any other country in the world.

 

[mgoetze]

Don't you know loveslater He's like the king of trolls on the EU IV forums :rofl:

I thought a guy called delpiero1234 held that crown.