Spain: What are the chances?

[Worldbeing]

In a recent USA game, Republican Spain managed to defeat and annex the Nationalists. This is something I'd not seen before- though I've only played about 5 games, as I'm new to HoI2. In every other case, the Nationalist scum had won.
How often does this happen? Is this a one-off, something I won't see for another hundred games? Or is it quite frequent, and I've just been unlucky so far?
Obviously I understand the outcome has no predetermined chance, but the AIs no doubt have a certain tendency to win or lose- what experience have you had?

Sorry if this has been asked or answered elsewhere, I can't find it.

 

[unmerged(103789)]

It happens really with luck going either way. Maybe this time the USSR, France, United Kingdom- Or all three, decided to support the Republicans, whilst the Germans Italians decided against supporting the Nationalists.

Or maybe this time the Nationalists had the wrong strategy and took the less- Ic filled parts of Spain leading to the Republicans winning.

It really is just luck, sometimes due to what little mods you are using.

 

[ddiplock]

It happens really with luck going either way. Maybe this time the USSR, France, United Kingdom- Or all three, decided to support the Republicans, whilst the Germans Italians decided against supporting the Nationalists.

Or maybe this time the Nationalists had the wrong strategy and took the less- Ic filled parts of Spain leading to the Republicans winning.

It really is just luck, sometimes due to what little mods you are using.

In truth, I've actually seen the Republicans win plenty of times in my games. To me, the Republicans winning isn't really a rare thing at all Alas, I've also seen the Nationalists win too

 

[unmerged(47103)]

I find the Nats win most of the time - about 80%.

Mind you, I've also seen the war continue through 1941!!

 

[chimney]

everytime im germany nat wins.

 

[OscarIsaiah]

Yes usaully the Nats win, even if I'm the SU and sending them 10's of thousands of supplies..

That did have the effect of extending the war into 1940.

 

[unmerged(80665)]

when as Italy i usually have to send hundreds of supplies to nat spain otherwise it just goes into a long standoff. with rep spain eventually winning. this happened twice to me already.

 

[Auricius]

In every game of mine the Republicans win.

There doesn't seem to have a "chance" it's pretty random;

or more like the outcome depends on which country you are playing with!

When SCW fires both Spanish factions "choose" which provinces they'll stick with, thru a semi-random method.
In short: the outcome seems to be in connection with the selection of the player's country, the AI might turn tables according to it.

 

[CarcassDK]

its splitt pretty even in my games... and ive played alot of games... the whole thing seems pretty random to me...

 

[unmerged(56607)]

I've found it to be even to. Maybe with Nationalist Spain having a bit of an edge. If I'm playing a game where I want NS to win then my influence will usually make it happen.

 

[ShadowWarrior]

When I play Italy, I don't pretty much care who wins.

Usually I DOW the Natsionalist & Republicans and take the whole of Spain for Italy before either of them knows what hit them. :rofl:

 

[Hammer of Thor]

When I play Italy, I don't pretty much care who wins.

Usually I DOW the Natsionalist & Republicans and take the whole of Spain for Italy before either of them knows what hit them. :rofl:

I just started an Italy '36 game. I have played Italy many times, but it occurred to me this time, that instead of building factories for IC, I would DOW Rep. Spain and TAKE THEM!! As soon as SCW started, I declared war. Before winter set in, I had taken all the territories belonging to Rep. Spain. The only ones they had left, were the ones they took from Nat Spain. as soon as the Nationalists took back their last province, I annexed Rep. Spain.

The reason for declaring on just Rep. Spain was to leave the Nationalists in control of the NW portion of Iberia. The long range plan is to DOW France when the Germans come rolling in in '40, take some of southern France, Malta and the Suez. I have allied with the Nat. and they will be responsible for Gibralter and as much of France as they can get to before the Germans (all through my military control of the Nationalists).

Once the Allies (read: USA) come to take Europe back from the Axis (which I plan to join after France has fallen), they will have to go through Nat. Spain and Germany before ever getting to me. By that time, I hope to have the Mediterranean under my strict control (with CV groups and NAV bombers) and be able to project force into the Eastern Atlantic and sink those transports. It's January '39 right now.

 

[Steg]

Playing as USSR I gave constant support and supplies to the Republicans and they won easily against the Nationalists. I think it all depends on the amount of support that the republicans get and the Nationalist starting positions.

 

[Snoopy]

In my experience, the side that you would want to win (For example, the Nationalists as Germany) will have a harder time winning then usual.

 

[unmerged(103789)]

In my experience, the side that you would want to win (For example, the Nationalists as Germany) will have a harder time winning then usual.

Annoyingly true.

 

[unmerged(57044)]

For me whoever controls madrid at the start of the civil war ends up winning it. It has become such a certain indicator in my games that i just check who owns madrid when the event fires and never bother looking again till the civil war is over.

Split has been about 60/40 in favour of nat spain but thats an estimate only

 

[I am.]

For me, I`d say 50-50 chance, like people said, it is luck... I have seen republican spain a lot of times (when I played Germany ((( and I sent them support, but that is life

 

[unmerged(89729)]

If I play as Germany it is 80-20 to Republic Spain even sending extra resources doesn't help. If I play some country sending aid to Republican Spain mostly Nationalist do win. :S

 

[Kaiser_Mobius]

For me 90% of the time the republicans would dominate the nationalists. Mostly because the rebublicans get lots of troops from the soviets and the nationalist AI would end up getting their few divisions encircled and destroyed. Since I like to see Franco win the SCW, I modded the nationalist aid events to give them something like 15-20 extra infantry divisions along with 5 tank divisions from the germans. Even with all of that help it usually takes the nationalists about 2 years to win.

 

[I am.]

If I play as Germany it is 80-20 to Republic Spain even sending extra resources doesn't help. If I play some country sending aid to Republican Spain mostly Nationalist do win. :S

My plan for my next game is to build transports and try to loan some tanks to Nationalist spain (never tried to do that with a country I am not allied to before, but should work)