Spain should just be called Spain before and after the civil war

[Thiomay]

Frankenreich?

No that is what we call the Frankish Empire. Seriously.
"Franzözische Republik" is incredibly formal and shouldn't work for in the geographical or culturak sence. Honestly I wasn't convinced that it was the official name before I checked the Wikipedia article named "Frankreich." That's what people actually call it.

Is it too hard to grasp that in English, the language we use now, both Weimar and Nazi Germany were called German Reich in official documents ?

That explains a lot. But German Reich might still be problematic. It would either still have to be German Reich when it's a democracy, which I perdict they will never do, or be called "Federal Republic of Germany." Than there is the problem of other countries having informal names at the same time. I also can't imagin that they will avoid that issue. Instead we are going to end up with an in your face "German Reich" because that is what consumers expect and recognize. For other countries well, we can be happy they renamed "Holland" to "the Netherlands."

There is no single right way of naming countries because, as we can see in the example of spain, it depends on the perspectiv. The only thing that can be done is using a consitent perspectiv for naming every country.

 

[seattle]

Title.
Mostly for the flavour, the Spanish didn't refer their nation as "Republican Spain" before the civil war, and the nationalists didn't call it "Nationalist Spain" after it either.

I agree that they should probably focus on those flavour issues instead of polishing the game. After all, there's an old saying in software development: style always trumps substance.

 

[linkeagleandzen]

As far as I've gathered, 'Reich' translates best just into 'realm,' but I really like the idea of a nation changing its name to reflect its ideology, especially since fonts no longer change.

As for what Fascist Germany should be called, German Reich is probably the best compromise because for non-German speakers, the word 'Reich' is pretty closely tied to that state and the Germany of that time without calling it a name that is offensive and potentially banned on this forum. Also it is more descriptive and flavourful than just saying 'Fascist Germany.'

 

[uglyduckling81]

I think it probably should be the longer title rather than just Germany.
If they take Italy for instance and you went on a holiday you would still say I'm going on holiday to Italy despite who actually controls it. You wouldn't say I'm going on holidays to Germany and then take a winter holiday in the south of Italian peninsula right?
Italy would remain Italy but for the purpose of a war map it needs to be identified as German Reich so you can see who controls it.

 

[linkeagleandzen]

I think it probably should be the longer title rather than just Germany.
If they take Italy for instance and you went on a holiday you would still say I'm going on holiday to Italy despite who actually controls it. You wouldn't say I'm going on holidays to Germany and then take a winter holiday in the south of Italian peninsula right?
Italy would remain Italy but for the purpose of a war map it needs to be identified as German Reich so you can see who controls it.

The conversation is about whether or not the name of a nation, Germany and Spain specifically, should change based upon its ideology.

 

[Fulmen]

German Reich is as accurate as you can get, it was the Republic`s name in the official documents up until the end of WW2.

Reich literally translates to realm, therefore German Realm would be the most accurate. "German Reich" is just a mix of English and German that became a thing because someone at PDX though it would be "cool" and "flavoury".

 

[zyphial]

Reich literally translates to realm, therefore German Realm would be the most accurate. "German Reich" is just a mix of English and German that became a thing because someone at PDX though it would be "cool" and "flavoury".

To be fair, I heard the term "German Reich" long before hearing about anything from paradox. "Third Reich" is just as much of a language hodgepodge and is probably the most common way I hear besides "Nazi Germany."

 

[potski]

Exactly. This is an English language forum, and we see screenshots of the game with the English localisation. Tell us all you want about what the word means in German, but it has a very specific meaning in English, tied into the Nazi regime.

Germany = modern day, open minds, open borders, member of EU and NATO
German Reich = when the lunatics were running the asylum

 

[J_Master]

Exactly. This is an English language forum, and we see screenshots of the game with the English localisation. Tell us all you want about what the word means in German, but it has a very specific meaning in English, tied into the Nazi regime.

Germany = modern day, open minds, open borders, member of EU and NATO
German Reich = when the lunatics were running the asylum

Germany=getting guilt trips for what the 3rd Reich did

 

[that-guy-is-it]

Keep in mind there are engine limitations. As I understand from what the devs have said, nations are named by TAG and Idealogy (presumably, this means every nation has exactly four names - Democratic Nation, Fascist Nation, Communist Nation and Non-Aligned nation. For the OP, which Spain do you want to be called Spain? Because "the winner" is not a valid combination of TAG+Ideology. Likewise with Germany & German Reich. Which Germany should be "Germany" - Fascist Germany, or an alt-world restored Weimar Republic Germany? It can't just be "the current" Germany because the game works on TAG+ideology.

This might not be the most efficient way, but what about creating a separate Republican Spain and a separate Nationalist Spain, which inherit their respective territories and Spain seizes to exist, with proper Spain returning once the war is concluded. Then, depending on how much thing's changed, the TAG name may or may not kick in (ie, if Republicans win and remain a liberal democracy, the Spain name is kept, but not if they went full Marxist Leninist).

 

[zyphial]

This might not be the most efficient way, but what about creating a separate Republican Spain and a separate Nationalist Spain, which inherit their respective territories and Spain seizes to exist, with proper Spain returning once the war is concluded. Then, depending on how much thing's changed, the TAG name may or may not kick in (ie, if Republicans win and remain a liberal democracy, the Spain name is kept, but not if they went full Marxist Leninist).

Yeah, that would work except that podcat specifically mentioned an issue they had with tag switching. So there wont be any tag switching by event or the like, ever. You can play as another tag, but not make one country turn into another one. It's possible that in the future that will be fixed, but it was a bad enough issue/bug that they removed the feature entirely.

 

[Shatterfury]

Reich literally translates to realm, therefore German Realm would be the most accurate. "German Reich" is just a mix of English and German that became a thing because someone at PDX though it would be "cool" and "flavoury".

Yes, realm is the most appropriate translation yet it sounds strange thus in official documents Germany was the German Reich.
They didn`t just go for cool, they went the historical way.

 

[Sleight of Hand]

I agree about German Reich being entirely unnecessary; Germany would be fine, just as France, Canada and Italy are.

Personally I did prefer to use Spanish/French Republic and Spanish/French State rather than having silly labels like Nationalist or Republican, but maybe that's just me. However, given that HoI IV appears to have a somewhat dynamic civil war system for communists vs. fascists, etc., I suspect that those labels would be better (for consistency).

German Reich I really don't understand, though.

 

[Himliano]

As a Spanish I've always found really stupid the "Nationalist/Republican Spain" once Civil war is ended.
I'd be truly happy if that is gone and you let us be just Spain for most of the game.



PS: Come on HOI4, pop into my steam, I need you to make Spain HUGE again.