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So while watching the WWW I saw Spain join the axis. Also, and I I can't remember if it was Daniel's invasion of them that caused it, but i also saw Ireland in the Allies. My question is: Can we stop nations that historically remained neutral in the war from joining in? Is it influenced by relationship or a national focus?

On paper these nations should be in those factions but historically they took different paths, was wondering if anyone else had noticed this?
 
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From what ive seen you can boost your parties popularity with other nations. Perhaps you can scare them into joining you like iraq did in the world war Wednesdays.
 

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Well if you work hard enough then yes you will be able to push these countries into your camp, it will be up to your opponent to stop you from doing this.

Heck I can get France into my corner as Germany if I work hard enough, however it will cost me elsewhere as I will have less to spend on other areas.
 
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Hopefully, when choosing historical mode, these nations will remain neutral 100% of the time if the human player also plays somewhat historical.
 
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At least it should be possible, imo. One of the plausible things that should be able to happen without the game feeling like it's spiraling out of control into a fantasy-game.

Deviations like these are necessary for replayability and I think it's within a reasonable margin.
 
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If Spain joins the Axis, wouldnt that be stretching the German/Italian military resources abit to far? The army Axis leaves in the west when venturing east will have to be even stronger as I do not think Spain will be able to repulse an Allied invasion alone.

Axis can trade for Spanish resources...
 

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So while watching the WWW I saw Spain join the axis. Also, and I I can't remember if it was Daniel's invasion of them that caused it, but i also saw Ireland in the Allies. My question is: Can we stop nations that historically remained neutral in the war from joining in? Is it influenced by relationship or a national focus?

On paper these nations should be in those factions but historically they took different paths, was wondering if anyone else had noticed this?

I agree, Ireland being in the Allies without getting back NI in exchange is very ahistorical.
 
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I agree, Ireland being in the Allies without getting back NI in exchange is very ahistorical.
The Republic of Ireland can't get back what it never had. You would have to go back hundreds of years since Northern Ireland has not been part of UK. The majority of the six counties have always made it clear that they wanted to remain within the UK, and in 1913-14 threatened a civil war over discussions about Home Rule. The sensible parties in the Republic wouldn't have wanted to take a million armed protestants into a small and poor country, with a small army that could never have suppressed any rebellion. Though they wouldn't have publicly admitted that. But that was the basis of them agreeing to the likely partition. That partition occurred because the majority of members of the Northern Ireland Parliament voted to remain the UK in 1922.

Although the Republic never joined the Allies, for political reasons, and was officially neutral, nevertheless it:
- agreed access to an air base and overflying their air space and location of radar/radio stations for hunting subs in the Atlantic
- provided intelligence on German spies
- allowed the British Army to continue to recruit men from the Republic, and for them to travel freely between the two countries. There was a long history of certain regiments recruiting in Ireland. 50,000 Irishmen served in WW2, not counting those from Ulster. And men from Ireland continued to emigrate freely to the UK to work in the factories and mines. My guess is up to 50% of the men working on the Tyne and in Glasgow building ships for the Royal Navy were from Ireland.

Whatever fanciful notions sections of the IRA might have had, the fact is there were probably more Irish living and working in the UK by the 1930s than there were in the Republic. Of my grandfather's generation of Irish Catholics, only one (the oldest son who inherited the family farm) remained in Ireland by the 1920s. A few emigrated to the US, most to the UK.

It's difficult to imagine there was any strong support in Ireland for German fascism to invade the UK with the idea that the north might then become part of Ireland. Most knew the effect on their own families, and could hardly imagine that Ireland wouldn't also be invaded. Despite their officially neutral position, the Irish government secretly planned with the British Army how to resist a German invasion in 1940-41.
 
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What is there to "lol" about that? That is actually a plausible thing.

Mainly because outside of the commonwealth nations no one joined their respective factions until attacked or coerced. While plausible that they would the AI seems a bit jumpy for all the clans to start getting into their camps though Hungary didn't seem to cause this as much during that WWW it's probably been tweaked since the MP one.
 

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It could be interesting to have special conditions to get countries to join your faction like what happened historically.

For example, if you want to get Ireland in the Allies, the UK will have to give up Northern Ireland, as was offered historically.
And if Spain wants to join the Axis, the Germans will have to give up resources, or if they join prior to the war, promise a part of Southern France.
 
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I agree, Ireland being in the Allies without getting back NI in exchange is very ahistorical.

It could be interesting to have special conditions to get countries to join your faction like what happened historically.

For example, if you want to get Ireland in the Allies, the UK will have to give up Northern Ireland, as was offered historically.
And if Spain wants to join the Axis, the Germans will have to give up resources, or if they join prior to the war, promise a part of Southern France.

Ireland was in no position to be making demands. There had been allied plans drawn up to Invade Ireland if they felt there was a threat from Ireland and/or Germany through Ireland. Why would the allies have even wanted them other than to secure that flank? It was a very poor, very weak, resource free country so taking it by force would make more sense than ceding the part of Ireland of any value at the time.
 
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The WWW stuff is old builds, very old now, so just have to wait and see. Also as the above commented Ireland are small fries military/resource wise compared to say, the USA getting involved day one.
 

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Ireland was in no position to be making demands. There had been allied plans drawn up to Invade Ireland if they felt there was a threat from Ireland and/or Germany through Ireland. Why would the allies have even wanted them other than to secure that flank? It was a very poor, very weak, resource free country so taking it by force would make more sense than ceding the part of Ireland of any value at the time.

The Irish didn't 'make demands,' they were offered.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish...Offer_to_end_the_Partition_of_Ireland_in_1940
 
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Yeah I wouldn't piss on de Valera if he was on fire. Let alone trust anything he said.

But you can spend PP to push any nation you want into your political corner, I imagine if a german player goes after the US from the get go they will increase the chance that the US implements Plan Red and goes after the British.

However if you play historically then it would be very hard to get those nations into your alliance.