Spain in EU3

[unmerged(17489)]

You do know that more provinces doesn't mean more power? In EU2 the more provinces you had the more expensive research got. So the aim was to have few but rich provinces. So Spain not having that many provinces isn't per default going to limit their ability to become a powerful empire. Actually if the provinces they do have is rich it is going to be easier for them.

As a player I would prefer to have a few good provinces to a bunch of crappy ones. It is much more easy to handle the needed micromanagement in a few provinces. Building tax collectors in 100+ provinces suck.

If you check the debates on new EU2 map you will find that the Russians argued for fewer provinces in Russia to keep Russian tech developments and management strain down.

Well, I wouldn't be surprised if he wanted all of them to be very rich

 

[Sute]{h]

Spain is really strong in EU2. In my opinion even too strong because she doesn’t has any problems with economy in the 16th and 17th century. Two events about state bankruptcy it's nothing for human player – good joke . Spain should receive for example orthodox tech group (obscurantism + economic problems).

I partially agree. I don't believe Spain should be punished, but the inflation due to gold income should be much higher. That goes for every country. So in a game where the player invades the Incan Empire while playing Denmark, Denmark should experience the economic troubles that hit the Spanish Empire. A more dynamic solution IMHO.

 

[Amadís de Gaula]

He´s said, thanks for your help.

The problem here is the bitter taste the spanish players had in EU2, and that we have no signs things are going to improve (they may improve the spanish in-game representation, but we don´t have a clue)... Bitter taste widely felt in our forum.

 

[Amadís de Gaula]

Ah, people confuse the XIX century with the XVIII. In 1794 the estimated GDP per capita was 94% of the french and english combined.

 

[unmerged(17489)]

He´s said, thanks for your help.

The problem here is the bitter taste the spanish players had in EU2, and that we have no signs things are going to improve (they may improve the spanish in-game representation, but we don´t have a clue)... Bitter taste widely felt in our forum.

Then put forward suggestions of what to improve, instead of whining about how bad it was in EU2 and how bad you think it'll be in EU3 (something which you've based on one or two screenshots, we have no idea how rich these provinces are, how good the Spanish AI is, etc.)

 

[Registered]

No, Spain was the strongest power in 16th, 17th and 18th century. Only was hegemonical y 16th century, but was the strongest power too in 17th and 18th centuries.

Sorry, but no. You can make a case for teh earlier part of the 17th century but after taht Spain is definitely in decline. At sea it was eclipsed by the Dutch republic and England. On land France grew in the to the strongest continental power. Spanish industry was extremely uncompetitive. Spanish commerce too.
BtW where did you find that map of the Spanish empire? It is flawed as far as Asia is concerned. Spain, i'm fairly certain, never had any colonies on New Guinea (and they would have been worthless anyway) Nor on Borneo.

 

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You do know that more provinces doesn't mean more power? In EU2 the more provinces you had the more expensive research got. So the aim was to have few but rich provinces. So Spain not having that many provinces isn't per default going to limit their ability to become a powerful empire. Actually if the provinces they do have is rich it is going to be easier for them.

As a player I would prefer to have a few good provinces to a bunch of crappy ones. It is much more easy to handle the needed micromanagement in a few provinces. Building tax collectors in 100+ provinces suck.

If you check the debates on new EU2 map you will find that the Russians argued for fewer provinces in Russia to keep Russian tech developments and management strain down.

Yes, I prefer few provinces, but rich, than many provinces, but poor. But we don't know if the provinces that Paradox do are rich or poor.

 

[Sute]{h]

He´s said, thanks for your help.

The problem here is the bitter taste the spanish players had in EU2, and that we have no signs things are going to improve (they may improve the spanish in-game representation, but we don´t have a clue)... Bitter taste widely felt in our forum.

I agree that Spain didn't preform in EU2. Mostly due to AI problems. The AI simply isn't capable of waging wars across oceans. In fact it sucks. I had a game as Milan I while back, where I kicked a alliance consisting of France and Spain. Spain kept landing 1000 soldiers by boat in my southern holding. Each time giving me a free +1 war score.

The problems that Spain faced in EU2 wasn't due to lack of provinces though. It was very simply AI problems. Problems which Paradox solved better in Victoria and HoI, where the AI actually can fight effectively across water. So I think that we will see Spain preform much better in EU3.

 

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Sorry, but no. You can make a case for teh earlier part of the 17th century but after taht Spain is definitely in decline. At sea it was eclipsed by the Dutch republic and England. On land France grew in the to the strongest continental power. Spanish industry was extremely uncompetitive. Spanish commerce too.
BtW where did you find that map of the Spanish empire? It is flawed as far as Asia is concerned. Spain, i'm fairly certain, never had any colonies on New Guinea (and they would have been worthless anyway) Nor on Borneo.

Spanish monarchy had colonies in that part of the map.

 

[unmerged(17489)]

And the UK performed much worse than Spain

 

[Sute]{h]

And the UK performed much worse than Spain

Indeed. I want the UK to seize control of India.

 

[Registered]

Spanish monarchy had colonies in that part of the map.

Yes, the phillipines. But in no way did they hold half of New Guinea. Most of that island was not even explored untill the 19th and 20th century.
It's natural resources had not been discovered in the EUIII era and apart from that the place really has nothing to offer unless you were into collecting shrunken heads.

 

[unmerged(17489)]

Well, they found it, but that seems to be it

 

[unmerged(50643)]

Yes, the phillipines. But in no way did they hold half of New Guinea. Most of that island was not even explored untill the 19th and 20th century.
It's natural resources had not been discovered in the EUIII era and apart from that the place really has nothing to offer unless you were into collecting shrunken heads.

Spain or Portugal had this places before than Holland.

 

[Bogorchu]

You don't forget the Moluccan Islands( today Maluku Islands ):

Wikipedia

 

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Let´s say we were "the power" (alonside the turks) from 1492 to 1641. We were very weak fromthat point to the beginnig of the XVIII century, and in this last century we had a very good navy and a reasonable good army (demonstrated by winning battles against France and England).

What did you smoke this morning? I want some, too.

As I said „in my opinion” and I dont smoke

The 17th century is the begining of French and English supremacy and Dutch “gold age”. This same period is the begining of end of the Great Spanish Empire (one of the greatest in world history ). For me it is simple

BTW, second league?

First league means France and England in the 18th century
Second league means local powers such as Prussia, Spain etc

Orthodox tech group?

For me orthodox tech group is not connected with Eastern Europe and orthodox religion (heresy ) It is mix of economy (exstensive agriculture), "state of mind" of society etc. In this situation even Brandenburg or Naples should have orthodox tech group.

 

[unmerged(50643)]

The 17th century is the begining of French and English supremacy and Dutch “gold age”. This same period is the begining of end of the Great Spanish Empire (one of the greatest in world history ). For me it is simple

Spain was a Greatest Power fron XVI to XVIII centuries

First league means France and England in the 18th century
Second league means local powers such as Prussia, Spain etc

Spain a locas power?

For me orthodox tech group is not connected with Eastern Europe and orthodox religion (heresy ) It is mix of economy (exstensive agriculture), "state of mind" of society etc. In this situation even Brandenburg or Naples should have orthodox tech group.

Spain orthodox group? Do you know Spanish History?

 

[unmerged(17489)]

Spain was a Greatest Power fron XVI to XVIII centuries

Please tell us why instead of repeating this mantra over and over again

What made them so superior to Holland and UK?

 

[unmerged(50643)]

Please tell us why instead of repeating this mantra over and over again

What made them so superior to Holland and UK?

I said than I don't speak English very well . Spain... the time between Emperor Charles V (Carlos V) and Felipe II was the Golden Age of Spain. Then, during the times of Felipe III , Felipe IV and Charles II (Carlos II) the Spanish Power declined, but too was a Great Power, great marine, the best land army (tercios), etc. The time of Carlos II was a bad time, we lost Rosellón/Roussillon against France, because Carlos II was an ill and weak King. When Carlos II died, Borbón/Bourbon family cames to Spain and they became Kings.

The first Borbón King, Felipe V, reorganized the country and modernized it. He built nez war ships and modernized the Administration.

After Felipe V cames to the trone Fernando VI. During his leadership Spain had not any war and prospered a lot.
After Fernando VI cames to the trone his brother, Carlos III, one of the greatest Kings of Spain.

Carlos III reformed the country, etc.


PD: agradecería que algún español que sepa hablar bien el inglés les contara lo de Carlos III, fundamentalmente.

 

[Earl Uhtred]

I think Paradox must create an Spain that it can do it:

Spanish Empire with Phillipe II (Felipe II)

But them add the Portuguesse Empire, that was of Felipe II and you have got the biggest Empire in the History afther Mongol Empire.

That map and the Portuguese one further down the thread completely overstate Iberian power - particularly in Africa. I'm almost sure Spain didn't control Florida or that much of California in any meaningful way during the reign of Philip II, either.