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Carolus III said:
Sorry for Speak spanish:

¿Lo que dijo Flori era una broma, no?

Yes, what Flori said was a joke...
 

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Flori's Location said:
Location: Hiding from the key-hunters

:D
oh man, posting here and no key for us!! :D
 

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I couldn't handle reading all 8 pages of posts, but it seems the main point was that preliminary shots of Spain showed it "under-powered" and posters, especially persons originating in Spain are upset. Johan said something that # of provinces is only half the battle.

I think there should always be more than less. I really am worried about the MTW-type provinces.
 

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Flori said:
Si. Don't you know, I am the fool here at Paradox - taking me serious is at your own peril :)



:p


Then the map will have more provinces in Spain or now there is a lot of provinces in the South?
 

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Flori said:
Si. Don't you know, I am the fool here at Paradox - taking me serious is at your own peril :)

So all the download codes are hoaxes? :(

Or are the downloads in fact trojans? :eek:
 

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Carolus III said:
Can anyone translate it?

FoU says,

no vamos a parar hasta que no nos den un anuncio oficial en condisione.
Luego ha dicho que perdones pero que se le colo la palabra Spain por ahi en el comentario.
 

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Not the same game of course, because if you say, IIRC, that Spain conquers the Aztecs in EU2, you should be playing whatever game, but not EU2, clearly.

Excuse me but:
a) Who are you to dictate what or what not can I say. Did I miss something?
b) Moreover, read carefully what I´ve written. Where did I say Spain will be weak in EUIII?

Because I just said France is going to have a huge advantage, due to the number of provinces, and that we wanted a faithful depiction, which includes the treatment for our leaders other countries have. I find extremely awkward to discuss with people that puts in my mouth things I have not written, and shouts at the same time...

1. In my games the Aztecs happen to be conquered plenty of times... have you tried the newest patches?

2. The expression don't say that you can't say whatever you want, it's an open forum. The expression is only saying that it extremely dumb to say that France is going to have a huge advantage just because of more (European!) provinces.

Alvaro said:
sounds like a good deal :)

Good we are finally agreeing on something! :D
 

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Bumpe said:
Good we are finally agreeing on something! :D

fine, but don't be too optimistic :p
 

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Bumpe said:
1. In my games the Aztecs happen to be conquered plenty of times... have you tried the newest patches?

2. The expression don't say that you can't say whatever you want, it's an open forum. The expression is only saying that it extremely dumb to say that France is going to have a huge advantage just because of more (European!) provinces.



Good we are finally agreeing on something! :D
I would suggest all you spaniards to annex france then, so you get more provs too :D

Now serious: I also want to have more provs as Hungary, and with more correct borders so I understand your frustration, but you still don't know how much manpower and taxes your provs will have, maybe so it will be balanced.
 

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I would suggest all you spaniards to annex france then, so you get more provs too :D

Now serious: I also want to have more provs as Hungary, and with more correct borders so I understand your frustration, but you still don't know how much manpower and taxes your provs will have, maybe so it will be balanced.


hey, just discovered this thread, at the same time I discovered paradox is launching EU III, YES!!!!

Here, in new England (read Spanish Costa Blanca) :rolleyes:
I think the solution is (as always) somewhere in the middle.
Spanish history has been flawed by the "leyenda negra" (black legend).
I will save you the patriotic pow-pow and breast thumping, but Spain WAS at some time, the most advanced AND enlightened, YES, enlightened power in the world. However, it also sunk to the lowest levels of religious fanatism and obscurantism. How do we solve this problem then?

Well, as in EU II we have the sliders for country policy and EVENTS. As with China (that can chose between all out expansion or isolation), one should be able to choose between a more open society and religious tolerance, or centralization and religious radicalism. Tolerance should be expensive though, since the Spanish population was ever small (until the 1960s) and control was very expensive, and tolerance should be expensive too, maybe carlist-style rebellions :confused:

As for my countrymen in this thread, I'd have to say that for the most part they are correct (maps included, though some territories (Africa) were conquered later on), BUT they might exaggerate when they say Spain remained a major player for so long. Spain did decline rapidly, since her economic (and population) base was poor, but once it declined (XVIIth century) cultural domination took place. (Would be or real historians should read Braudel)
For the Spanish-bashers it is useful to remember that Spanish culture dominated Europe (read the world that mattered in geopolitical terms, my apologies to non-European countries) during the XVIIth century, and it performed rather well against the Brits, taking back Menorca and some American territories, sadly no Gib though (as portrayed in EUII). The following century did see some sparks of the old grandeur (specially in wars) but it was all achieved at the expense of Spain proper, therefore I would just recommend some events and minor tweaking of Spanish history (everyday closer to the truth, and farther away from "The Mission" Hollywood style b**sh*t), and everything would be almost perfect.
Same goes for the Brits, though they do not suffer from Black Legend "history".
The AI always needs some tweaking from the poor developers ;)

...and YES I like pops, and YES I happen to be an economist who loves micromanagement. Pretty pleeeaze, give us some pops. I suggest a "region" pop modifier (like Hoi II, region mode), so that you can change say, New England's clergymen to laymen, he, he, here you go Opus dei... :D

Cheers, saludos from the new English colony (Costa Blanca)
Salutacions.

Yo
 
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