Spain/Austria Gets Double VP For HRE Elections With Charles V

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When Charles V dies, it is rather common that the same day his Austrian/Spanish counterpart will be elected, then die immediately, then the true successor will be elected. This results in an extra VP bonus for winning the HRE election.

 

[AndrewT]

It is common for Charles V's successor to die immediately? I assume you mean that is the real bug. Why on earth would that be?

The only Charles V I can find is of LOR, but perhaps you mean Karl V of HAB? He lives til 1556 and his successor Ferdinand til 1564, so I'm really not sure what you are getting at here.

A lot of the lines of alternate succession have been cleaned up for 1.06, but I don't think any around this area.

 

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No, it's like this:

• Karl V of Austria is elected HRE
• Karl V dies on the 22nd
• Charles V of Spain becomes HRE on the 22nd
• Charles V of Spain dies on the 22nd
• The next king of Spain becomes HRE on the 22nd

Aside from the message popup spamming, it's annoying. To solve the problem completely, make a new HRE not appear until after all monarchs have died/switched in the cycle (rather than immediately after the current HRE dies), or make him HRE the next day.

 

[AndrewT]

Ahh, you mean Carlos I of Spain! And he and Karl V die on 30th Sept 1556, not 22nd.

How about I just have him die on 29th and Ferdinand I take over Spain then? I think there is little chance of getting the code change that you suggest.

 

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it sounds better than nothing...........

 

[DPS]

Originally posted by AndrewT
Ahh, you mean Carlos I of Spain! And he and Karl V die on 30th Sept 1556, not 22nd.

How about I just have him die on 29th and Ferdinand I take over Spain then? I think there is little chance of getting the code change that you suggest.

Careful here! He doesn't actually die on that date, he abdicates. And both Spain and Austria have an event for the abdication. The change you suggest might keep one or both of them from firing properly.

EDIT: and it's an important event, too--it's gives determines whether Austia or Spain gets the Habsberg provinces in the Netherlands and gives them their CB shields there.

 

[Duuk]

The best bet would probably be to delay HRE elections 1 day after the death of a reigning HRE.

But I don't know how difficult that code would be, since I don't know where the check is now.

If the check is a seperate event from the death of the monarch, then it would be an easy enough fix.

Check HRE: Everyone dies: Repeat next day.

But if it's called when the HRE monarch dies, then it's always going to occur based on "turn" order, so to speak and there won't really be an easy fix.

HRE monarch dies: trigger election event on Day+1 (instead of current immediate trigger)

If it's the first, that's something that could probably be fixed with a 2 second patch.

I suspect it's the second however, and for something that (realistically) will only happen in 1 special case (an HRE Karl V), it's not worth the hassle.

Come to think of it, it's probably not worth the hassle anyway

Duuk

 

[AndrewT]

So I need to undo those changes?

 

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Originally posted by AndrewT
So I need to undo those changes?

Not neccessarily.

Your quickfix really only fixes it if Spain was the HRE under Carlos I. If Austria were HRE, and Karl V dies, and Carlos I gets elected and then dies the next day, Spain still gets an extra 50.