Space Racism and Preferential Treatment

[Wyvax]

It's come to my attention that xeno-loving and xeno-hating is to simplified in Stellaris as is. I fully understand the all or nothing regarding alien rights, slavery, and leadership, particularly for fanatic xenophiles and fanatic xenophobes. But, I think we could use some shades of grey regarding species rights.

Let me put it this way: even though I'm a xenophile at heart, my current game is a collectivist fanatic spiritualist founded by tentacle-headed humanoids ruled by god emperors. Now I own a large multispecies empire (currently 3 each of reptilian, plantoid and fungoid in addition to my founding humanoid race), but just because I'm running regulated xeno slavery doesn't mean that I view all xenos in my empire as equal. In my view the phallic fungoids I uplifted are honorary members of the founding race, but the weak, deviant, slow breeding cactus people I graciously brought up out of the stone age are ungrateful troublemakers deserving only harsh labor. Whilst my pinecone headed reptilian race makes fantastic soldiers but should be banned from leadership due to their stupidity and as of now contrary ways.

Basically I think we should be able to manually engineer preferential treatment for every race under our control, because unless you are a fanatic xeno lover or alien hater we all admit that each race we encounter have varying levels of worth. Why should our nice, thrifty, conformist leech heads be treated with the same degree of harshness as the barbaric space geckos we just conquered, just because they aren't members of the founding race?

Anyone else think we could use something more complex and nuanced than "love all xenos or hate all xenos"?

 

[smellymummy]

Anyone else think we could use something more complex and nuanced than "love all xenos or hate all xenos"?

I do!

 

[Dalinski]

Simply add a tech that Pacifists can use to take control and make a horde of Space Monsters fight for them.....and your pacifist woes are no longer...

 

[General Retreat]

Wiz has already announced exactly this in the past, I believe. Regrettably it's buried in one of the many dev diary discussions so I'm not sure where specifically, but it was mentioned that specie specific rights/obligations were in the pipeline for internal empire management updates.

For the record, I completely agree with OP's point.

EDIT: Small reference to it below, but I'm fairly sure it's been additionally discussed elsewhere.

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...llaris-dev-diary-50-the-journey-ahead.978042/

 

[Pyramid_Head]

There should be additional level of randomized AI personalities along with current ones. Some races should be ok with avians, others detest insectoids or fungoids etc. If a race who suffered from Last of Us cataclysm came across fungoid species there could be at least some nervousness. But given current state of things we'll see that in Diplomacy dlc 1 or Diplomacy DLC2, right after Fleet DLC 23

 

[Nesos]

I agree. I wanted to do the same with a Fanatic Militarist and Spiritualist playthrough. The species strong enough would get more rights than the other species.

 

[Pyramid_Head]

There could be a Babylon 5 thing, where species consider other species a some kind of favour, in a way "souls of our race are beigng reborn as race Y!".

 

[Graf Zeppelin]

I can only speak for my Empire but we just hate all xenos.

 

[BlackUmbrellas]

AFAIK, Paradox mentioned an upcoming feature that allows more granular control over how different species are treated in your empire a while back.

 

[SolarGuy]

Wiz has already announced exactly this in the past, I believe. Regrettably it's buried in one of the many dev diary discussions so I'm not sure where specifically, but it was mentioned that specie specific rights/obligations were in the pipeline for internal empire management updates.

For the record, I completely agree with OP's point.

EDIT: Small reference to it below, but I'm fairly sure it's been additionally discussed elsewhere.

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...llaris-dev-diary-50-the-journey-ahead.978042/

It also got mentioned on Twitter I think.
And I agree too

 

[Borgrabbit]

We need this game mechanic as it will add more depth in managing multi-species empire. Should be really fun to role-play.

 

[gathomas88]

It's come to my attention that xeno-loving and xeno-hating is to simplified in Stellaris as is. I fully understand the all or nothing regarding alien rights, slavery, and leadership, particularly for fanatic xenophiles and fanatic xenophobes. But, I think we could use some shades of grey regarding species rights.

Let me put it this way: even though I'm a xenophile at heart, my current game is a collectivist fanatic spiritualist founded by tentacle-headed humanoids ruled by god emperors. Now I own a large multispecies empire (currently 3 each of reptilian, plantoid and fungoid in addition to my founding humanoid race), but just because I'm running regulated xeno slavery doesn't mean that I view all xenos in my empire as equal. In my view the phallic fungoids I uplifted are honorary members of the founding race, but the weak, deviant, slow breeding cactus people I graciously brought up out of the stone age are ungrateful troublemakers deserving only harsh labor. Whilst my pinecone headed reptilian race makes fantastic soldiers but should be banned from leadership due to their stupidity and as of now contrary ways.

Basically I think we should be able to manually engineer preferential treatment for every race under our control, because unless you are a fanatic xeno lover or alien hater we all admit that each race we encounter have varying levels of worth. Why should our nice, thrifty, conformist leech heads be treated with the same degree of harshness as the barbaric space geckos we just conquered, just because they aren't members of the founding race?

Anyone else think we could use something more complex and nuanced than "love all xenos or hate all xenos"?

I'm basically running a low-key "racist" empire in my current play through. We're an imperialist autocratic human regime, but also individualist ('Parliamentary Monarchy/Stellar Kingdom' gov type from the Ethics and Gov Rebuild mod) and fairly decent to the people we conquer - no slavery, purges, or etca, etca. We even try to go kind of easy with regard to bombardments during wartime, and I terraform the worlds I conquer to the inhabitant species' ideal type.

However, xeno ABSOLUTELY are not allowed to freely migrate or serve in leadership positions. I never use them for colonization or in my armies either. I also tend to retain beneficial gene modding as a benefit solely for my founder species as well.

The end result is a generally pleasant and progressive empire, which simply happens to be heavily segregated, with an undeniable "human supremacist" slant. It's a bit like the old timey British Empire, TBH.

The original justification for this was that it really wouldn't make sense to give recently conquered or enlightened aliens free reign to my empire, and I really didn't want to risk swamping my founder species with some xeno that has the "rapid breeder" trait either. I figure I'll change the policy one of these days... After I conquer and colonize enough of the galaxy that it really doesn't matter any more.

It would be nice, however, if I had the option to set migration and leader policies for each species on an individual level. That way, I could keep the recently aquired species restricted to their own planets, while gradually allowing the species who have had time to "assimilate" to my culture the opportuntiy to integrate with the human dominated sections of my empire.

 

[LughC]

You should be able to set this under the race window. Maybe a check box for 1st 2nd and 3rd class or just one drop down

 

[BlackUmbrellas]

You should be able to set this under the race window. Maybe a check box for 1st 2nd and 3rd class or just one drop down

I'd expect they'll include a lot more finesse than that- more along the lines of Sector options.

 

[LughC]

Idk any more than that along with adding and changing current policies to go with sounds like more dev time than it's worth with all the other things they could be doing.

 

[BlackUmbrellas]

Idk any more than that along with adding and changing current policies to go with sounds like more dev time than it's worth with all the other things they could be doing.

I'm not sure any of us are the best judge of that.

A preset list of rights doesn't really make sense, though- a series of tickboxes for each species that controls whether they can migrate/get enslaved/can lead/etc makes more sense, and I don't see how it'd be that much more intensive than what you're proposing. It also seems far more useful. There's also the use of "obligations" in Paradox's mention of the feature as a possibility- which might imply something like auto-moving Intelligent POPs onto research labs or the like.

 

[hsuzy1987]

I think a less fiddly alternative to drop down boxes for each individual race would be to have citizenship 'tiers' and set policies pertaining to an entire such tier, and then allocating species to the desired level.

 

[LughC]

I think a less fiddly alternative to drop down boxes for each individual race would be to have citizenship 'tiers' and set policies pertaining to an entire such tier, and then allocating species to the desired level.

That's what I said

 

[hsuzy1987]

That's what I said

You did too. Sorry, must have missed that scrolling through!

 

[Tekadiel]

At the very least we need policies regarding subspecies created from the founder species.