Soviet Union is seriously OP in 1941

[Findex]

I activated the Operation Barbarossa event in June 1941 and the Soviet Union had almost 30 divisions on each province making advances almost impossible. Historically even if that was the case the organisation of them would be awful but no, they have a huge professional army in 1941.

help?

 

[Lord Finnish]

I agree, Soviet Union and pretty much every Allied power sans UK is insanely overpowered. Challenge is one thing, but actually enjoying the ride is another. I really don't like to sweat blood to win a game. That's what real life is for

Realistic balance pl0x.
All I can say is that you're screwed. Maybe if you developed nukes you'd have hope but they will attack you anyhow in Summer 1942.

However, when I played as Soviet Union, I fall underpowered unless I do the cheap IC whoring strategy. In 1942 Germany has 700 IC and while their army is lesser than mine, their prowess means that I can't win. So nukes it is.

 

[unmerged(295676)]

Attacking them in 1940 gives you a fair challenge imho.

 

[Findex]

Attacking them in 1940 gives you a fair challenge imho.

I was conquerering Britian then. More of a threat imo.

 

[Akaki]

When I was playing as the Soviet Union it ended badly. I tried to get rid of dissent, then duild some IC, then upgrade, then build Inf. Even though Germany attacked France a year later, in 1941, giving me some extra time, they kicked my ass.

 

[Rotten Venetic]

Sov has to upgrade and feed its army for 5 years before the war. In their case it might still be a good idea to disband all obsolete land units (i.e. most of them) and build from scratch. The IC days going into your army will be ridiculous for not having to build any or almost any supplies for about 3 years. Rush infantry '39 as early as you can spare a TT.

Edit: Keep or train enough to smack the Finnish around, though.

Edit2: I think SOV has or had a lot of cavalry divisions, many of them '32 and '36. They won't fare as badly in FIN as they should.

Also, 30 divisions in every province? How? I once attacked the Soviet Union with Poland in 1947 for the lulz, and they didn't have 30 divisions in every province. More like 15. I had nothing of the sort, even though my Poland was heavily buffed with cores in Prussia and Silesia and 3 puppets beating Germany and getting a nifty, custom peace event. So they still handed me my own teeth.

 

[Weserübung]

does the ai get so much more IC than a human player? never noticed that. I have no problem taking on the soviets as germany. just keep on pushing and encircle. however I have given my planes better ground defence so they dont get shredded by big stacks that easily. this sure helps somewhat. also incresed number of techteams for everybody so i have latest doctrines and material when I allocate enough IC to upgrade that is.

when I play SOV I get pushed back quite far. but using the Verdun effect I can bleed the Wehrmacht white and then encircle. 50+ divisions in the baltikum and 50+ divison in poland. once I broke through early 43 I could walk to berlin. GER has 36 divisons left, France, Balkans and Italy are empty.

Allies might be powerful, but only in the long run. and they are so passive with invasions that you can concentrade your forces easily and pick them off one by one.

the SOV army is quite big enough already. I wouldnt disband as the units have experience. the CAV are an awesome unit and even exceed MEC. as SOV I have about 300 divs in 1943 - my starting cav + 30 mot + 20 arm as mobile force.

 

[Samilou]

Also, 30 divisions in every province? How? I once attacked the Soviet Union with Poland in 1947 for the lulz, and they didn't have 30 divisions in every province. More like 15. I had nothing of the sort, even though my Poland was heavily buffed with cores in Prussia and Silesia and 3 puppets beating Germany and getting a nifty, custom peace event. So they still handed me my own teeth.

The AI distributes it's troops differently in different situations.

 

[Akaki]

It's may 1940 now, as SOV I've got 330/265 IC, while Germany... 428/288. Even before they pick Speer! Who's overpowered...?

 

[Rotten Venetic]

Samilou: I know, I've even modded that.

 

[unmerged(297954)]

Anyone who thinks the Soviet Union is OP either knows nothing about history or is just bad at this game.

To OP: I have never seen the USSR with 30 divisions professional army a province, even when I played as Germany and USSR invaded me in 1942 that was not so screenshots or bs.

Historically even if that was the case the organisation of them would be awful but no, they have a huge professional army in 1941.

Historically that was totally not the case. Germany had huge numerical advantage over the USSR in 1941. But the speed and magnitude of Soviet mobilisation/war economy is very difficult to replicate in the game and as Akaki mentioned Germany always ends up with more IC. If you think the Soviet Union is OP try playing a game as them and see if you can produce 30div/province professional army.

 

[Fulmen]

Germany had huge numerical advantage over the USSR in 1941.

This is simply not true. Even official Western sources, which probably downplay Russian numbers, state that the Axis (not just German) forces were roughly equal in size with the Russian forces, with the Axis possibly having an advantage by a few hundred thousand men.

 

[unmerged(159798)]

I really don't like to sweat blood to win a game. That's what real life is for

these are the best and most rewarding games

 

[Akaki]

Maybe it's a silly question, but if Inf. division's strenght is for example 50%, woes it's soft attack value is also 50%?

 

[Rotten Venetic]

Yes.

Anyway, I think I might be able to do 30 militias with no brigade per province on the borders with Germany by Barbarossa. Then win with bombers, a stack of HQ+23 inf-eng and a few paras and maybe mtn as my primary attacking forces. No need to research anything in arm/art tech tree, so this might actually work.

 

[Akaki]

I had - as SOV - about 76 divisions attacking Plock iirc. About 21 Arm+L/M, 9 Mot+Art, 9 Inf+Art, 33 brigaded Cav, HQ. Battle started when I attacked 9 Ger divisions. It ended after the german stack was 60div high. I lost. Yeah, SOV is overpowered...

Other thing: when do you guys mobilize?

 

[Lord Finnish]

Other thing: when do you guys mobilize?

If I'm attacking I mobilize some two weeks before attack. If I'm expecting attack (such as SOV in 1941) I mobilize well before the war, perhaps even months. As SOV I might even keep my army mobilized after Winter War.

 

[unmerged(115311)]

If I'm attacking I mobilize some two weeks before attack. If I'm expecting attack (such as SOV in 1941) I mobilize well before the war, perhaps even months. As SOV I might even keep my army mobilized after Winter War.

You often get extra dissent if you mobilize during peacetime. You could pause and mobilize at the exact moment of the AI dow to avoid this.

Keeping the army mobilized after the Winter War is a good idea.

 

[Akaki]

But taking under consideration that my effective IC in 1941 is about 370, while german is 700 (!), the supply consumption won't allow me to build up the army...

 

[Rotten Venetic]

How the hell do the Germans get 700 IC? Did you enable full IC takeover?

Also: Germany's units have insanely high Organization, it wasn't unheard-of for me to whittle their units from 100 str to 0 in a single battle. As Poland.

With Soviet Union, you don't get so much org from doctrines, at least early on, and you have -10 from Stalin, but you have huge morale (and +10 from Stalin). The only option is to cycle units through the battle - this is more necessary with SOV than anyone else, especially on the attack. Eventually the Germans will crack.