Soviet tank tech tree
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the width and th height is more or less the same as the german one O;P
Basically, there's a giant piece of wood with lots of tractor parts and the odd piece of military equipment hanging off it.
Make glorious strong of Soviet Union if many research complete.
Well, if I had to guess, the heavies are probably T-35 -> KV-1 -> IS-2, with the super-heavy probably being a KV-4 or KV-5 (I can't think of anything else Sovet-designed in the right weight class).
First tank I'm not sure about, but the light/medium would probably be something like BT -> T-70 -> T-28 -> T-34 -> T-44 and T-54 as MBT.
I'm not sure about the initial tank or the advanced light, though.
First tank I'm not sure about, but the light/medium would probably be something like BT -> T-70 -> T-28 -> T-34 -> T-44 and T-54 as MBT.
I'm not sure about the initial tank or the advanced light, though.
what about the 8,000 t-26s the soviets produced. Feel like that tank should be in the tech tree. Well already researched.
Hardly.
More probablty T-26->T-28->T-34->T-44-T-55 for mediums, and T-26-BT-2-BT-7->T-70.
But then what's your MBT? Never mind that you also have the T-34 and T-44 both showing up early as 1939 and 1941 mediums, with the T-55 showing up in 1943. Well, that or you skipped a member of the line, assuming you're using the T-55 as the MBT. Also, the light line has one too many tanks. I will give that I derped on T-70 dates, though. For some reason, I had assumed that it was an earlier design than it was.
Based on DD2, the medium line is base tank -> 1934 light -> 1936 light -> 1939 medium -> 1941 medium -> 1943 medium -> 1945 MBT and the light line branches off with a 1941 light coming off of the 1936 light. The heavy line is then base tank -> 1934 heavy -> 1941 heavy -> 1943 super heavy (dead end) and 1943 heavy -> 1945 MBT.
To revise, I'd go with something like 1934 light: T-26 -> 1936 light: BT-7 (closest BT model to the tech date) -> 1939 medium: T-28 (quite a bit later than the actual introduction, but then, so is the Panzer IV) -> 1941 medium: T-34 -> 1943 medium: T-44 -> 1945 MBT: T-54/55 (doesn't really matter which)
The thing to keep in mind, of course, is that it will be exactly the same as anybody else's tank tech tree. Only the names are changed. They are simply flavor text.
With all the fanatics wanting to micro-manage huge aspects of the war and who are against abstracting the airwar into something more playable and realistic, I am surprised there is so much tolerance for this huge abstraction.
With all the fanatics wanting to micro-manage huge aspects of the war and who are against abstracting the airwar into something more playable and realistic, I am surprised there is so much tolerance for this huge abstraction.
What's not to like? You have base models representing the various comparable classes between nations, and then what makes them different is what each nation focus on for their type.
Seems perfect to me.
T-55 is the "MBT".
T-44-for 1943 year.
T-70 is just a light tank for 1942-1943.
T-34 arives in 1941.
If there is indeed a lack of "early medium" one of the prototypes of T-34 will do, A-20 for example, is more or less equal to German Pz3. There are plenty of different Sovet tanks out there, but before T-34s and KVs started rolling, the most prominent would be BT and T-26.
I am not saying it is bad or even that it in some way lessens the value of the game. I point it out simply because all too often on these forums people get caught up in debating some of the more intricate subleties of WWII and lose sight of just how much abstraction there is to many key aspects of the game.
I am fine with the tank or plane names being simply flavor text or with all nations' ships being essentially identical as long as the game feels right when played.
Give me a system with real air superiority that forces naval operations to respect it and I will be happy. Give me a system where Britain and Germany cannot pile up so much war material before the war that strategic warfare against mineral production or resource convoys is meaningless and I will be happier still.
Since I think I am getting both of those things, I am very excited about HOI4.
With all due respect, you're talking with a very objective tone on something that is of a completely different nature. Things you might find trivial and irrelevant for the key aspects of the game could just as well be what is considered the key aspects for the next person. I for example would probably not enjoy a hoi game where tanks (or planes for that matter) were forcibly identical for each country beyond base chassis. Luckily for me, they seem to not be that.
Ideally they avoid doing three straight tech trees and instead let you research chassis, engines and direct fire (tank and AT guns) separately. Most of the best tank guns were just modified anti tank guns and vice versa, so its a bit stupid to have to research them two or three times. I'd have light and heavy chassis be open at the start, with medium coming from research on the two, thereby synthesizing them, ending up with the mbt at the end.
Good thing there are nice modders to help spice up Vanilla, but I will save commentary until seeing more DD about research.
Why is everybody forgetting the T-40, T-60? Also, there was KV-2, and the like. Like T-50. Or T-100, or SMK.
nah. i'm more of a T-850, T-900, T-1000 and T-X person myself. plus no matter how many times you destroy them, they'll always be back.
Because there's a finite number of slots in the tech tree.
KV-2 doesn't really fit anywhere and it's basically just a (turreted) assault gun on a KV-1 chassis. There are only four light tank slots, one of which is the "base" tank, and the T-70 pretty much has to be in so that we can make SU-76s. If you can explain why the other lights have more of a place than T-26 and BT-7, go ahead.
And for heavies, there are only three slots and a superheavy, and the choices are obvious there. For the bonkers impractical 1934 heavy, T-35, for the sensible, single-turret 1941 heavy, the KV-1 is the obvious and iconic choice. For the advanced 1943 heavy, again, there's an obvious, iconic choice in the IS-2. For the superheavy, there were plenty of superheavy KV-series tanks (that admittedly never left blueprints), including something like 20 different KV-4 proposals and the KV-5 proposal. All of this leaves no room for the T-100 and SMK.
I don't know why you people are talking about slots actually.
You can easily change your GUI to fit more techs. It is very much possible that the USSR has more research possibilities then Germany.
You can easily change your GUI to fit more techs. It is very much possible that the USSR has more research possibilities then Germany.
Because the slots represent abstract tank classes like 'improved medium tank' and so on, and the names are only for flavor. All nations will have the same amount of tank slots.
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