Soviet Far Eastern Mod

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Soviet Far Eastern Mod​

Following the success of my and Miihkali's Anatolian Wars Mod (the link is in my signature, so clicky clicky clicky!) I have decided to embark on quite a different mod which I've already done some work on... by no means will it be anything as large as the Anatolian Wars Mod, but will just add one or two new nations and improve an existing one.
A couple of weeks ago I had a most interesting game as Tannu Tuva in which, having built as many infantry divisions as I could muster and keeping them in Kyzyl, I left the comintern before the Soviet-Finnish War.
Now this was of course incredibly boring for many many long years, spent just sending spies to Japan and Germany and building more militias and infantry divisions. Thankfully, Barbarossa succeeded and the Soviets had got to Semipalatinsk and Omsk before you could say 'Dzhugashvili'.
This meant that by 1943 my infantry divisions could attack Mongolia and some Soviet Provinces whilst the Soviets were distracted by the Germans.
By the time Germany had annexed the USSR I had taken over Shushkenoye, Orjot-Tyura, Bijsk, Khobdo, and most of the provinces around Lake Baikal.
Tuva can be fun to play as, but I want to make it better!

I have already added around 20 more Tuvinian leaders and ministers, and have done a skin and techteams. Even a few army pics have been found after some difficult searching!
I'll make Tuva easier to play by adding IC to Kyzyl and maybe adding cores on a couple of provinces such as Shushkenoye/Khakassia and allying it with Buryatia?
What I think this mod should include should also be Buryatia and Far Eastern Republic. Mongolia can also be ruled by Von Sternberg rather than becoming a communist nation. Yes, I know this is ahistorical but at least it gives the Mongols more freedom to do what they want in WWII.

So if anyone wants to help they are more than welcome

 

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I like von Ungarn- Sternberg, however don't forget the Anatolian Wars mod, while doing the far east.

 

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don't forget the Anatolian Wars mod

Would I do such a thing?

OK, here's the basic map I'll be using for the area:

Yellow- Altai Republic
Scarlet- Expanded Tannu Tuva
Tan- Expanded Mongolia
Pink- Far Eastern Soviet Republic
Blue- Primorsk
Lime Green- Buryatia

 

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Yeaaaaaaaah! It would be cool...Myself, I'm thinking about a shaterred Europe mod...

 

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I'm in if you need it, not sure I'll be able to help you that much with researches. I have 1-2 hard find photos for some possible leaders of Mongolia and military units if you want them.

 

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Good stuff!
Narakir, can you mod .inc files and so on? I can't do much apart from ministers, leaders, techteams, skins, and music. Miikhali has been doing the rest for Anatolian Wars Mod. I also think maybe we should make this just Tannu Tuva, Far Eastern Republic, Mongolia, and Buryatia- otherwise it gets really complicated anyway.

 

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I can mod pretty everything you want, I still have my big project running.

Tannu Tuva, Far Eastern Republic, Mongolia, and Buryatia- otherwise it gets really complicated anyway.

Yes that's enough for the moment.

 

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Good stuff! If you want, I can send you the Tuvinian minister, leader, techteam, army pics, and skin files right now.
Shall we start with Tuva?
They should control Shushkenoye, Ojrot-Tjura, and Kyzyl, perhaps with a total IC of around eight?
I've also got some good ideas for events... in this timeline, Tuva shouldn't be part of the Comintern, I think.

 

[Miihkali]

Hi! First I'd like to say that I'm sorry I haven't been here in few weeks, however, I simply haven't had time. And yes, I'm quite sure that I won't have time in this may, but in summer I should can to do something for this mod And about Anatolian Wars, I will release 1.3 as soon as possible, hopefully this weekend

 

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Yes, please send me all the Tuvan stuff. About Buryatia, you should check the few they did for it in the new nations mod :http://www.modnn.com/.

 

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Yeah, I checked the Buryat stuff in the NN mod but they only have about 3 ministers... I have 11! It helps being able to read Halh Mongol and Russian

What shall we have by way of political alliances though?
Buryatia could be allied to Mongolia, perhaps
Tuva could either join the Comintern or maybe some Pan-Turkic Union
Far Eastern Republic should basically be a Soviet Puppet

Or maybe we could have some event when they release the Jewish ASSR in Birobidzhan?

 

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Far Eastern Republic should basically be a Soviet Puppet

Why not Making it a Japanese puppet ? especially as they wanted to establish it.

Buryatia could be allied to Mongolia, perhaps

From what I know from Von Sternberg he would have wished to unify all Mongols peoples under his rule so he could be definitely the big threat for anyone opposing him like the Buryats and the Tuvans. He would also be likely to finish of Xinjiang and maybe rally Tibet to his cause begin a new threat for China and an ally for the Japs.

Tuva could either join the Comintern or maybe some Pan-Turkic Union

A Pan-Turkic union could be nice but it would be better if we Turkestan if we assume the Bashkir revolt could have succeeded there.

Or maybe we could have some event when they release the Jewish ASSR in Birobidzhan?

Could be intressting but I admit I hardly see how it'll look like.

 

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Why not Making it a Japanese puppet ? especially as they wanted to establish it.

Well Primorsk under Kolchak will be a Japanese puppet anyway, and to make the situation interesting we do need some conflict of interest...

I reckon Mongolia should start off as being ruled by the Royal Family and the Prime Minister. Then Ungarn Von Sternberg can take over and territorial claims can be added on Buryatia, Bayan Nur etc.
Maybe Mongolia should have a civil war? Communist Mongolia could declare itself independent and take Western Mongolia, perhaps with Buryat and Soviet support, whilst Sternberg could have the option to ally with the Japs?

The Basmachi and Bashkir revolts are good ideas... but the Bashkir one is probably better since the Basmachi were Islamists and Tuva is a Buddhist nation.

 

[Miihkali]

Maybe Mongolia should have a civil war? Communist Mongolia could declare itself independent and take Western Mongolia, perhaps with Buryat and Soviet support, whilst Sternberg could have the option to ally with the Japs?

Actually Sternberg would never ally with any nations.. He was far too mad to do anything wise. He himself believed that he could with him few thousand men conquer whole Russia in couple of years!

 

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He was far too mad to do anything wise. He himself believed that he could with him few thousand men conquer whole Russia in couple of years!

I'm not sure he was that mad, a recent author gave a different vision of his personality than the classical monster created by Bolchevick propaganda, more like a reactionary idealist guided my mystic beliefs. At least it's this version that I prefer.

Well Primorsk under Kolchak will be a Japanese puppet anyway, and to make the situation interesting we do need some conflict of interest...

I know you prefer working on small scale area but we sould do something for Soviet Union to make all these tiny states existence more plausible IMO. I doubt that Stalin would have tolerated such a mess in his great idea of one powefull Russian state. Maybe changing USSR head of state ? Not for Trotsky as it's too classical, maybe Zinoviev or Bukharin.

I reckon Mongolia should start off as being ruled by the Royal Family and the Prime Minister. Then Ungarn Von Sternberg can take over and territorial claims can be added on Buryatia, Bayan Nur etc.
Maybe Mongolia should have a civil war? Communist Mongolia could declare itself independent and take Western Mongolia, perhaps with Buryat and Soviet support, whilst Sternberg could have the option to ally with the Japs?

That's a fine idea.

The Basmachi and Bashkir revolts are good ideas... but the Bashkir one is probably better since the Basmachi were Islamists and Tuva is a Buddhist nation.

We could make two different states. The Basmachi would be commanded by Ismail Enver.

 

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It seems almost as if this is going to be like All The Russias on an even more detailed scale! There certainly are historical arguments which can justify the existence of Tuva in an enlarged state, Primorsk, Mongolia, and probably Far Eastern Republic (it was created as a buffer state between the RSFSR and Japan and was only disbanded when Japan was no longer percieved as such a threat after the Civil War had ended).
Either way, Buryatia will be difficult to justify.
I'm sure Buryatia should exist, however- it was the Buryat communists who ruled Mongolia in its early years as a communist state.

I'm not sure he was that mad, a recent author gave a different vision of his personality

You're talking about The Bloody White Baron? I really want to read that book :

 

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It seems almost as if this is going to be like All The Russias on an even more detailed scale!

Why not ?

You're talking about The Bloody White Baron? I really want to read that book :

Nope it's a book written only in French.

 

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Allright- I've got lots and lots of new ideas for this mod, which I shall list

Mengchukuo/ Mengjiang
As well as more ministers for Mengchukuo, I think as a Mongol nation with which 80% of the borders were in fact Han Chinese, we need to make some kind of internal uprising if dissent goes above a certain level which makes the nation unite with Nationalist China. There's also a chance that the Mongol minister Ulanhu (who was in fact the communist leader of Inner Mongolia) could turn the place into a Comintern puppet state.
Also, I found that a Manchu princess related to Pu Yi called Aisingioro Xianwangnu was a spy for Japan in Mengchukuo. This could of course mean that we could technically have Manchukuo and Mengchukuo breaking off their alliance with Japan to help restore the Qing Empire!

Khalkhin Gol
Maybe an event for more border clashes with the Soviets at Khalkhin Gol? (if Mongolia becomes communist, that is...)

Buryat influence in Mongolia
It was mainly the Buryat Communists who propogated most of the Communist Purges in Mongolia when it became a People's Republic. Therefore I think we ought to make Buryatia ally with Communist Mongolia in their war against Ungarn Sternberg's Mongolia.

Basmachi Rebellion in Central Asia
Tannu Tuva, although not Muslim, could become intertwined with Pan-Turkism if we make an event for a Turkist revolt in Kazakhstan, or perhaps an influx of refugees from the Soviet Turkic Republic could make it have more manpower and troops?

Primorsk and Germany
Germany played on the Cossacks' desire for a White Russia in Barbarossa to recruit them as troops... why don't we make them bring Primorsk in as well if they're not already allied with Japan?

Sinkiang
Create the 1st Eastern Turkestan Republic instead. This will be interesting as there'll be a conflict of interest between Soviet and Guomindang aims in the region.
It should grant military access to Tibet and Mongolia too.

Communist Mongolia
After the communist Mongols took power, Sukhbataar and some of his aides pushed for an annexation of Inner Mongolia, but COMINTERN forced them not to because they viewed relations with the Chinese as more important than the fate of less than two million Mongols. At some point, Communist Mongolia should have an event which sparks their wishing to seize Mengchukuo, or at least turn it into a puppet with Ulanhu as Head of State.

Xibei San Ma
Xibei San Ma should NOT be a puppet of Nationalist China. At the very most they should have a non-agression pact, but we need them to start the Sinkiang-Ma war of the late 1930s when Ma Zhongying besieged Urumqi and Korla. Plus, Mongolia will have claims on Bayan Nur.

 

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And Xibei San Ma name should be Ma Clique.

 

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News:

I have decided to change this mod substantially.
From henceforth it should be- Genghis Khan- Rise of Mongolia
Inlcuding a major improvement for Mongolia as a playable nation, as well as adding Buryatia and making Mengchukuo and Tannu Tuva easier to play.
I've started on techteams, but so far I need events and an alternate timeline for the Mongolian Civil War. In 1936 vanilla Mongol HoS is the Bogd Khaan, and the HoG is Ungern-Sternberg.
Around 1938 the COMINTERN-backed Communist Mongolia will rebel, causing a civil war and triggering Mengchukuo to maybe side with Sternberg.
It strikes me as odd that a nation such as Mongolia should have so little a role in HoI2
Let's change that and give them a few more cavalry divisions!