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I actually had to log in and post for once to this.

Great job.

I have to echo Safe Keeper however, its ridiculously biased, to the point of almost being revisionism. And little im sure translation errors like "Railway to Leningrad open". The Road of Love was many things, Railroad it was not.

Like Tolstoy said "how many heads so many minds", from my point of view It's historically quite accurate but nonetheless It's made by russians so I don't deny that there's a lot of events we care about and remember like defenders of Brest fortress. About Leningrad, I think you mean "The road of Life".
 

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Like Tolstoy said "how many heads so many minds", from my point of view It's historically quite accurate but nonetheless It's made by russians so I don't deny that there's a lot of events we care about and remember like defenders of Brest fortress. About Leningrad, I think you mean "The road of Life".

Ive heard both Doroga lyubvi, and Doroga zhizni used to describe it in reports. The Road of Life is also a play, two movies, and a Novella, so its popularly misrepresented as The Road of Life, when it was commonly referred to in the field and those who drove over it as 'The Road of Love'

Also a big fan of Tolstoy "all my arguments showing the backwardness, anachronism, and harmfulness of patriotism have been met, and are still met, either by silence, by intentional misinterpretation, or by a strange unvarying reply to the effect that only bad patriotism (Jingoism or Chauvinism) is evil, but that real good patriotism is a very elevated moral feeling, to condemn which is not only irrational but wicked."

Its not uncommon for a nation to control a historical narrative. It happens here in the US too. You have to, as a lover of history, attempt to parse through the inaccuracies based on bias or preconception. Regardless of if the soldier or historian was Muscovite or Croat or German or American or Japanese, the events happened as they did, the what where when, the 'why' is left to the philosophers, like Tolstoy.

For example military historian Andrew Nagorski and the current administration over there, have some rather differing views on The Great Patriotic War. Just as over here, greats like SLA Marshall, or David Halberstam, bring history that contradicts the popular narrative of Vietnam or the Korean 'War'.
 

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As a German, I call this out to be pretty biased, close to propaganda. (And I see that it probably is, with the whole anti-western atmosphere in Russia and the Victory Day and what not)

But as a fan of the age and of maps, I really appreciate the effort. Thanks for sharing!
 
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As a German, I call this out to be pretty biased, close to propaganda. (And I see that it probably is, with the whole anti-western atmosphere in Russia and the Victory Day and what not)

Just to point out, this map was made back in 2005 (and as far as I can tell has not changed), so recent events did not impact its content.
 

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Thanks for this. I enjoyed every minute of it.
 

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Ive heard both Doroga lyubvi, and Doroga zhizni used to describe it in reports. The Road of Life is also a play, two movies, and a Novella, so its popularly misrepresented as The Road of Life, when it was commonly referred to in the field and those who drove over it as 'The Road of Love'

Also a big fan of Tolstoy "all my arguments showing the backwardness, anachronism, and harmfulness of patriotism have been met, and are still met, either by silence, by intentional misinterpretation, or by a strange unvarying reply to the effect that only bad patriotism (Jingoism or Chauvinism) is evil, but that real good patriotism is a very elevated moral feeling, to condemn which is not only irrational but wicked."

Its not uncommon for a nation to control a historical narrative. It happens here in the US too. You have to, as a lover of history, attempt to parse through the inaccuracies based on bias or preconception. Regardless of if the soldier or historian was Muscovite or Croat or German or American or Japanese, the events happened as they did, the what where when, the 'why' is left to the philosophers, like Tolstoy.

For example military historian Andrew Nagorski and the current administration over there, have some rather differing views on The Great Patriotic War. Just as over here, greats like SLA Marshall, or David Halberstam, bring history that contradicts the popular narrative of Vietnam or the Korean 'War'.

Just one thing, the Grand Duchy of Moscow, where Moscovites lived become Russia in 1547 so there's no such nation anymore. I gues you ment Russians :) But I tend to agree what happened in past should ramain on responsibility of the one who did it.
 

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As a German, I call this out to be pretty biased, close to propaganda. (And I see that it probably is, with the whole anti-western atmosphere in Russia and the Victory Day and what not)

But as a fan of the age and of maps, I really appreciate the effort. Thanks for sharing!

About a Victory day, I really don't understand why it's so dificult to understand that this day is very iportant for us (by us I mean all ancestors of all those who was involved: soldiers, factory workers, doctors ect) not to selebrate some big achivment of our nation, it's day of Remembrance. Whole my family is visiting my granfather grave this day, as well as millions of other families pay respect to thier ancestors.

And I realy don't think we should discus modern politics in games forum :)
 
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Didn't have time to watch further than to early 1942, will continue later. So far it doesn't seems to be unfairly biased. Will it get less balanced as it continues?
 

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Didn't have time to watch further than to early 1942, will continue later. So far it doesn't seems to be unfairly biased. Will it get less balanced as it continues?
Speaking for myself: as far as I can tell, it goes into great details about German [forbidden topics], while not even mentioning those committed by Soviet troops. Also, I feel it refers to Soviet advances as "liberation" more than it should.

Still, again, it's an excellent piece.
 
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Speaking for myself: as far as I can tell, it goes into great details about German [forbidden topics], while not even mentioning those committed by Soviet troops. Also, I feel it refers to Soviet advances as "liberation" more than it should.

Still, again, it's an excellent piece.

If It's possible can you send me a private message with info or some links to wiki of Soviet [Forbidden topics]? I know of only one, conserning Poland that happened before the eastern front.
 

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I actually had to log in and post for once to this.

Great job.

I have to echo Safe Keeper however, its ridiculously biased, to the point of almost being revisionism. And little im sure translation errors like "Railway to Leningrad open". The Road of Love was many things, Railroad it was not.
There was a railway laid across the ice on lake lodaga at one stage. It might be referring to that or it might be a Russian expression that didnt translate very well.
 

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Speaking for myself: as far as I can tell, it goes into great details about German [forbidden topics], while not even mentioning those committed by Soviet troops. Also, I feel it refers to Soviet advances as "liberation" more than it should.
Maybe because of official policy of both states on how to react to such acts perpetrated by their respective soldiers?
Everyone is biased. I find it funny, reading German memoirs about how 1 German regiment stopped an attack by 2 Soviet divisions. Never mind, that number of soldiers involved in the action is almost equal, due to the fact that Germans were reinforced by units attached to the regiment, but not mentioned, and of the 2 Soviet divisions participating, only 2 regiments of each were involved.
 

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If It's possible can you send me a private message with info or some links to wiki of Soviet [Forbidden topics]? I know of only one, conserning Poland that happened before the eastern front.

Only one? Damn. I don't know how that's possible...
 
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Don't know if there's such, Red army had severe losses during Soviet-Finnish war (Winter war) despite superior strength, and I personally would be interested in seeing such map.

For those interested on that subject, the expansion Order of Battle: Winter war (The Artistocrats/Matrix Games) will be released next June.

I'm still a great fan of Paradox, but their games don't cover every aspects of war.
 
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