Southern Revolutions Mod for V:R

[HMS Enterprize]

I added Yankees, Mexicans, Spanish and Creole as citizens.

You added Spanish to CS primary cultures? I can make my peace with Yankee, Mexican & Creole providng you have necessary provinces, hell, I made those additions to my mod but Spanish? I dont even really recall haveing that many Spainards in the CSA to begin with...

Not criticizing here, just wondering as to your thoughts on the issue.

 

[Gorgo Primus]

I'm of a mind that it would have happened all at once (at least putatively) or not at all, but I will certainly consider other possibilities if the mod is updated.

Thanks for the post!

FWIW I also am 90% sure that emancipation would have been done in stages. The whole reason the south was scared for their economy was because it was 80% slave based. That is one of the reasons they were unhappy at the slave trade suddenly ending. I'm also sure that they would release slaves on a state by state basis. State's rights and all.

Eventually they would have emancipated however because slave labour began horribly expensive and inefficient in the late 1880s due to the advent of new technologies.

(By the way, the Emancipation Proclamation by the North only freed slaves in states that rebelled. Why does the North get to do away with all slavery in all the US when they do it in Ricky?)

 

[FOARP]

You added Spanish to CS primary cultures? I can make my peace with Yankee, Mexican & Creole providng you have necessary provinces, hell, I made those additions to my mod but Spanish? I dont even really recall haveing that many Spainards in the CSA to begin with...

Not criticizing here, just wondering as to your thoughts on the issue.

I thought there ought to be at least a few thousand Spanish running the show in Cuba and the Philippines, so I added them - both to those provinces and to CSA citizenship.

 

[FOARP]

I'm curious, how do you manage to do this? Your plurality should be high enough by then to keep militancy decreasing with 50% taxes and maxed tariffs. The only problems I usually face are revolting officers (but that's mostly because most social reforms are maxed). If anything, I think the cost of emancipation is too small, as I debated earlier in this thread.

I keep my taxes low, my police/education spending high, but I find once emancipation's been and gone it just becomes impossible to please folks.

 

[CSABadass]

FWIW I also am 90% sure that emancipation would have been done in stages. The whole reason the south was scared for their economy was because it was 80% slave based. That is one of the reasons they were unhappy at the slave trade suddenly ending. I'm also sure that they would release slaves on a state by state basis. State's rights and all.

Eventually they would have emancipated however because slave labour began horribly expensive and inefficient in the late 1880s due to the advent of new technologies.

(By the way, the Emancipation Proclamation by the North only freed slaves in states that rebelled. Why does the North get to do away with all slavery in all the US when they do it in Ricky?)

Here's my take...

I agree with Dr. Roger Ransom's thesis that a combination of European pressure and the collapse of the cotton economy would lead to emancipation; plausibly after the 1879 elections but more likely after the 1885 vote. In any case, it would have to be a total emancipation because anything else fails to make economic sense or alleviate foreign pressure.

Abolishing slavery violates the CS Constitution, so a change would have to be universal or not at all, so states' rights is not an issue. Again, partial emancipation makes no sense on any basis.

Feel free to disagree, but please read Dr. Ransom's book first. If all his arguments are refuted, I'll consider changing my mind.

Thanks for the post!

 

[Gorgo Primus]

Here's my take...

I agree with Dr. Roger Ransom's thesis that a combination of European pressure and the collapse of the cotton economy would lead to emancipation; plausibly after the 1879 elections but more likely after the 1885 vote. In any case, it would have to be a total emancipation because anything else fails to make economic sense or alleviate foreign pressure.

Abolishing slavery violates the CS Constitution, so a change would have to be universal or not at all, so states' rights is not an issue. Again, partial emancipation makes no sense on any basis.

Feel free to disagree, but please read Dr. Ransom's book first. If all his arguments are refuted, I'll consider changing my mind.

Thanks for the post!

Was just stating my (admittedly limited) understanding on the matter. Thanks for the book suggestion. I'll take a look at it,

 

[jamhaw]

Here's my take...

I agree with Dr. Roger Ransom's thesis that a combination of European pressure and the collapse of the cotton economy would lead to emancipation; plausibly after the 1879 elections but more likely after the 1885 vote. In any case, it would have to be a total emancipation because anything else fails to make economic sense or alleviate foreign pressure.

Abolishing slavery violates the CS Constitution, so a change would have to be universal or not at all, so states' rights is not an issue. Again, partial emancipation makes no sense on any basis.

Feel free to disagree, but please read Dr. Ransom's book first. If all his arguments are refuted, I'll consider changing my mind.

Thanks for the post!

Could you specify the title for that book? I'll have to see if my local library has it. (it probably won't though)

 

[CSABadass]

Could you specify the title for that book? I'll have to see if my local library has it. (it probably won't though)

The Confederate States of America: What Might Have Been --probably the single greatest influence on SR.

Amazon link: http://www.amazon.com/Confederate-States-America-What-Might/dp/0393059677/ref=ed_oe_h

 

[jamhaw]

I'm currently reading an essay which seems to support my original idea in regards to slavery http://www.alternatehistory.com/gateway/essays/MusingsAmericanCivilWar.html I haven't read What Might have Been yet though so I don't know if it refutes or even addresses the points offered. Still I think it does seem like it could work reasonably well in Vicky in addition to the emancipation options already offered. Also is it possible for you to add slaves, to other places like Sonora or Confederate West Africa, when you take over those areas?

 

[CSABadass]

Also is it possible for you to add slaves, to other places like Sonora or Confederate West Africa, when you take over those areas?

No.

 

[unmerged(76802)]

The Confederate States of America: What Might Have Been --probably the single greatest influence on SR.

I found that to be a quite enjoyable book, other than the last chapter, which has the South be re-absorbed due to Northern conquest in the Great War right after the previous chapter decided that pushing the plausible pudding past 1914 added too much implausibility.

 

[jamhaw]

No.

Can you change the events that switch the flags so that it is optional? Sort of like in the event there would be an "the flag is good enough as it is" option?

 

[jamhaw]

The War of the Nations mod seems to work perfectly with Southern Revolutions! The only thing is that it makes a lot of the flags wonky but other than that they so far are working perfectly together! Just so everyone knows.

 

[CSABadass]

Can you change the events that switch the flags so that it is optional? Sort of like in the event there would be an "the flag is good enough as it is" option?

If I do another SR update, I'll consider it.

 

[CSABadass]

The War of the Nations mod seems to work perfectly with Southern Revolutions! The only thing is that it makes a lot of the flags wonky but other than that they so far are working perfectly together! Just so everyone knows.

Really? Oh wow, cool!

Thanks for testing that!

 

[CSABadass]

I found that to be a quite enjoyable book, other than the last chapter, which has the South be re-absorbed due to Northern conquest in the Great War right after the previous chapter decided that pushing the plausible pudding past 1914 added too much implausibility.

Well, you'll notice I ignore that particular chapter.

 

[jpj1421]

Hi, I've been playing this mod for a little while and I do find it very enjoyable. I've just been noticing one weird quirk in two separate games I've played. In one game I played as Germany from the first date, and the other as the US in the second date. WWI starts the way its supposed, with Germany and Austria vs. Russia, France and England. But, within 1 week to 1 month, the Central Powers have won event triggers, causing Britain to surrender. I don't know if in these two games Britain has somehow managed to fulfil the requirements of surrendering, but I do think its weird that they bow out so quickly. This is especially annoying when you're playing as the US, and are waiting for the events to bring you into the war. Just wanted to see if this was a common problem, or what?

 

[jamhaw]

Hi, I've been playing this mod for a little while and I do find it very enjoyable. I've just been noticing one weird quirk in two separate games I've played. In one game I played as Germany from the first date, and the other as the US in the second date. WWI starts the way its supposed, with Germany and Austria vs. Russia, France and England. But, within 1 week to 1 month, the Central Powers have won event triggers, causing Britain to surrender. I don't know if in these two games Britain has somehow managed to fulfil the requirements of surrendering, but I do think its weird that they bow out so quickly. This is especially annoying when you're playing as the US, and are waiting for the events to bring you into the war. Just wanted to see if this was a common problem, or what?

Are you sure it was an event? I have seen the British AI negotiate a peace with the Germans in the first month of the game since I got Revolutions but I don't believe I have ever seen them making peace by event until at least 1916.

 

[jpj1421]

Every time Britain surrenders I see in the dialogue bar "Hope its a peace to last" or whatever the event says, then see that Germany accepts peace for the Status Quo. One time I loaded the save game they decided to fight to the last man.

 

[CSABadass]

Every time Britain surrenders I see in the dialogue bar "Hope its a peace to last" or whatever the event says, then see that Germany accepts peace for the Status Quo. One time I loaded the save game they decided to fight to the last man.

I'll look into it when/if I do another SR update, but there may be nothing to be done. If, say, the UK had a high war exhaustion from a prior war, they are going to quit ahistorically early. Ahistorical results do happen, and they can't all be scripted for. Knowing nothing else about your current game, I can only guess.

Again, I will look at the surrender triggers in any future SR updates, and I do thank you for trying SR and posting!