Southern Revolutions Mod for V:R

[CSABadass]

I'd like to do an AAR based on your mod, but with some of my own custom events and such. Is that alright?

Sure! Please post a link here so we can follow along.

 

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What about "___ Joins the North" events if the US is defeating the South in the First or Second Wars between the States? They'd work in reverse from the Southern ones. They'd only apply to the border states, though, like Missouri, Kentucky, West Virginia, Sequoyah or Arizona.

For example, the South gets the basic victory option in 1862 (Ohio border, no Missouri or other border states). Relations later fall to the point the US declares war and advances. If they control all of Kentucky, they force it back into the Union.

 

[CSARebel]

What about "___ Joins the North" events if the US is defeating the South in the First or Second Wars between the States? They'd work in reverse from the Southern ones. They'd only apply to the border states, though, like Missouri, Kentucky, West Virginia, Sequoyah or Arizona.

For example, the South gets the basic victory option in 1862 (Ohio border, no Missouri or other border states). Relations later fall to the point the US declares war and advances. If they control all of Kentucky, they force it back into the Union.

IMHO I just can't see any of the border States that joined the CSA during the first war later willingly joining the USA during a second war. It would be like a State rejoining Great Britain during the war of 1812.

 

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IMHO I just can't see any of the border States that joined the CSA during the first war later willingly joining the USA during a second war. It would be like a State rejoining Great Britain during the war of 1812.

First, for West Virginia, they tried to join the US in the first war. I think they'd try to secede again if the two nations went to war again.

Second, for the other states, it wouldn't be willingly. The US would probably see their joining the CS as illegal (they join only after CS forces have conquered them -> forced secession) and would try to force them back into the North. Not to borrow to much from Mr. Turtledove, but the US in his books does just that to Kentucky after it beats the CSA.

 

[CSABadass]

What about "___ Joins the North" events if the US is defeating the South in the First or Second Wars between the States? They'd work in reverse from the Southern ones. They'd only apply to the border states, though, like Missouri, Kentucky, West Virginia, Sequoyah or Arizona.

For example, the South gets the basic victory option in 1862 (Ohio border, no Missouri or other border states). Relations later fall to the point the US declares war and advances. If they control all of Kentucky, they force it back into the Union.

There's already one for West Virginia.

Thing is, if there's a second war with the North, the South is doomed anyway. The events you suggest would be a lot of work on my part just to simulate the inevitable.

Thanks for the suggestions, though!

 

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First, for West Virginia, they tried to join the US in the first war. I think they'd try to secede again if the two nations went to war again.

Second, for the other states, it wouldn't be willingly. The US would probably see their joining the CS as illegal (they join only after CS forces have conquered them -> forced secession) and would try to force them back into the North. Not to borrow to much from Mr. Turtledove, but the US in his books does just that to Kentucky after it beats the CSA.

Well, didn't the US consider succesion illigal anyway? (aside their being nothing in the constitution thats says a state can't)

The U.S. might see the other states that are occupied by the Confederacy as being forced, but the Govoner of Missouri tried really hard to convinece the state to succede and as for Kentucky, I almost bet if the Union hadn't been looming over us we would have too. Of cource I don't know that, but I know alot of old timers people who think so.

My point being if a state was going to succede it was there choice, afterall was that not an issue? States rights? would kind of be hipocritical for the CSA to preach about the states having the choice and then turn around and say "We occupied your state, and now your going to join us"

 

[CSABadass]

For those who are into the Total CSA Experience, I just posted an update for the Confederate Armageddon mod, available at the links below. New events now take you to the end of 1963, allowing you (with the V:R converter) to play the Confederacy's first hundred years.

Enjoy!:

 

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Slaves are dixie pop I just noticed something CSA the Slaves are dixie pops!Which means that when emancipation is passed they stay dixie.

 

[CSABadass]

Slaves are dixie pop I just noticed something CSA the Slaves are dixie pops!Which means that when emancipation is passed they stay dixie.

No, they don't in SR--another event changes them to African Minor POPs.

 

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My point being if a state was going to succede it was there choice, afterall was that not an issue? States rights? would kind of be hipocritical for the CSA to preach about the states having the choice and then turn around and say "We occupied your state, and now your going to join us"

I really meant it more as a way to make post-Second War borders make more sense. It'd be kind of odd if the US beat the CS, but then let them still have control of the south bank of the Ohio.

 

[CSABadass]

I really meant it more as a way to make post-Second War borders make more sense. It'd be kind of odd if the US beat the CS, but then let them still have control of the south bank of the Ohio.

Have you seen the maps in Turtledove's later Timeline-191 books?

 

[CSARebel]

Have you seen the maps in Turtledove's later Timeline-191 books?

Of what do you speak? Cough, cough...I mean type?

 

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Have you seen the maps in Turtledove's later Timeline-191 books?

Indeed I have. And you'll notice they forced Kentucky back into the Union.

 

[CSABadass]

Indeed I have. And you'll notice they forced Kentucky back into the Union.

Damn Yankees.

 

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Speaking of "those people", I just played a game of the War, and noticed some stuff.

1. I demanded all the border states and the Union accepted, but I didn't get Maryland or Delaware or the rest of Arizona/New Mexico. WAD?

2. The Union didn't lose its cores on Missouri and I didn't gain cores on Missouri. Same for West Virginia, but I think that's supposed to happen.

3. Is the Conscription Act event a bit too much? I brought the war to an end in July 1862 and still had a couple of divs undeployed and no land lost but W.Va. and the half of Oklahoma.

 

[CSABadass]

Speaking of "those people", I just played a game of the War, and noticed some stuff.

1. I demanded all the border states and the Union accepted, but I didn't get Maryland or Delaware or the rest of Arizona/New Mexico. WAD?

2. The Union didn't lose its cores on Missouri and I didn't gain cores on Missouri. Same for West Virginia, but I think that's supposed to happen.

3. Is the Conscription Act event a bit too much? I brought the war to an end in July 1862 and still had a couple of divs undeployed and no land lost but W.Va. and the half of Oklahoma.

1) Yes, WAD. If you want those Yankee bastions, you have to take them by force.

2) Yes. Again, WAD.

3) If you're referring to the CSA Act, it is exactly the same as in the vanilla game.

 

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Hey, enjoying this as always But I have a problem. Im in the midst of the Great War and im can't find what the conditions are for Germanies surrender, could you tell me? Cause I can't seem to find it.

 

[CSABadass]

Hey, enjoying this as always But I have a problem. Im in the midst of the Great War and im can't find what the conditions are for Germanies surrender, could you tell me? Cause I can't seem to find it.

30%+ of Germany occupied plus 70%+ war exhaustion.

 

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Thanks, appreciate it

 

[Hamza]

What a cool mod! How does it Mesh with VIP for Revolutions?