Sorties from >5 000 forts

[Krajzen]

In 1.12 many small forts will be replaced with few huge (5k - 10k - 15k etc)

Not sure if anybidy realized this but that change may turn sortie feature into a factor deciding about wars... And I was a fan of it even before.

One thing I don't get is, are all forts - even capital forts of opms - going to have 5k men in garrison?

 

[Fluffy_Fishy]

Good point, that kind of manpower is huge, especially one not influenced by the man pool. I wonder if they have changed it slightly for the new patch, I feel like it might get OP.

 

[Zelius]

AFAIK from the Sweden screenshot, it goes: Capital = 5000 men, if you put a level 1 fort it's +5000 men, so the major powers will have bigger garrisons.

 

[Selvas]

And also it was stated that forts do use manpower pool in 1.12

 

[matk]

And also it was stated that forts do use manpower pool in 1.12

Really? I missed that comment - that's huge! A big hit to countries who rely on mercs and bonus to countries like Muscovy->Russia with unlimited manpower. Will the AI use sortie?

 

[Chaos_TLW]

And also it was stated that forts do use manpower pool in 1.12

Damn, I didn't know that. I always figured sorties would become actually useful in more situations, but I missed that little bit of fact.
This could also make for a few interesting tactics, I imagine, like starting a sortie on a sieging army to prevent them from fleeing from your hunterkiller army just coming around the corner...

 

[Fluffy_Fishy]

Wont manpower work a bit differently though with development and stuff?

 

[Neoton]

We will have large forts that drain manpower and that will actually be a huge factor in a war as it should be???

 

[tobias.mb]

Most likely the sorties will be Infantry only. And since Forts will be sieged by entire Armies and not just small siege-stacks like now, it seems very suicidal to do sorties. Though it will be extremely strong to do a sortie to support an imcoming relief-army.

 

[johnleeyx]

What happens if maintenance is on for a fort but the country has no manpower?
And will armies in forts count towards total forces? Because they should if they don't with their instant armies.

 

[tobias.mb]

I don't really have a problem with the defender having the advantage.

 

[Lot]

And also it was stated that forts do use manpower pool in 1.12

Where? All I could find was this post saying that garrison growth is now significantly slower and can be improved by ideas.

 

[Wizzington]

Garrisons are 1k * fort level. 5k did not work balance wise. You need 3k troops to besiege 1k garrison though.

They do not use manpower, but local manpower of province has a big impact on garrison reinforce rate.

 

[happymix91]

Garrisons are 1k * fort level. 5k did not work balance wise. You need 3k troops to besiege 1k garrison though.

They do not use manpower, but local manpower of province has a big impact on garrison reinforce rate.

I saw that we need 6 regiments for 2 level fort, not 6k troops for 2k garrison(so garrsion strength doesn't matter), right?

 

[Lot]

I guess assaulting 5k * fort level was not a lot of fun and similarly sorties were too much fun?

I wonder though, if with 1k * fort level assaults aren't too easy, or have the numbers been adjusted?

 

[The Nothing]

Garrisons are 1k * fort level. 5k did not work balance wise. You need 3k troops to besiege 1k garrison though.

They do not use manpower, but local manpower of province has a big impact on garrison reinforce rate.

You.... You know you broke my dreams of an almighty 20k+ men garrison right ? Though that's not bad you need far more troops to set a siege on a fortress.Having 2k men sieging a 2k garrisoned fortress was ... Strange and absolutely not logical.

 

[Selvas]

Oh well then I was wrong about forts using manpower, though I was pretty sure I was not.

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...r-europa-universalis-iv.858535/&sdpDevPosts=1

Here it was stated that forts need manpower investment I guess this is my excuse.

 

[IIWW]

So sorties will still be useful, but not OP. Thats good new.

 

[Metz]

Garrisons are 1k * fort level. 5k did not work balance wise. You need 3k troops to besiege 1k garrison though.

They do not use manpower, but local manpower of province has a big impact on garrison reinforce rate.

So the whole 5k per level was removed?

 

[Kerschey]

The first fort building gives +2 fort levels. What do the next 3 fort buildings give? 3, 4, 5 or 4, 6, 8?