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Frau Viktor, do you not think it dangerous to allow the Italian government to have its own autonomous military? I see no reason to formally arm and train future rebels.

~ K.F. von Hohenzollern
 
The only failure the Reichstag has done in relation to the Italian Home Rule act is not go far enough! Therefore, I am proposing the following bills to the Reichstag, to rectify this gross insult to the Italian people!
The Italian Military Act:
1. The Italian President may petition the Italian Parliament for the creation of a regional army.
2. This regional army may only be recruited from the Region of Italy.
3. The budget for this army must be approved by both the Conclave and the Italian Parliament.
4. During peace, the Commander in Chief of this army will be the Italian President.
5. During times of War of Civil Unrest, the regional Italian Army will be integrated into the command structure of the Republic.

Italian Preservation Act
1. The Italian Home Rule act may only be removed with the consent of the Italian Parliament and Presidency.
2. Consent is determined by a vote in the Italian Parliament, wherein a 2/3rds majority as well as the Presidency approve of dissolving themselves.
"Insult to the Italian People"
Madam, you are an insult to the entire republic because of your ideology of blatant Italian superiorism .

Comrade Herzog Heinrich IV von Silesia-Glogau, Stadhalter of Breslau
 
This constant demand for Italy to receive special privileges has quite frankly gone far enough. At this rate the next vote will be on complete independence after giving them both their own government and their own military if the recent bill passes. Why can these so-called Italians not accept that they are part of Germany and act as such? I understand that they feel neglected, but these efforts will just further separatist agendas. They should instead focus on furthering their agenda in the German government instead of trying to hide in their small corner of the country. As for the specific matter of giving them their own military, this will only cause great confusion for our armed forces during war and create an armed force not entirely taking orders from the German government. Why not seek a compromise and create a division of the army consisting mainly of Italians who serve in the region instead but still beholden to the Reichstag? Military matters should not be handled by anything less than the German government. Anything else is a security risk.

- Eva von Vandenburg
 
This constant demand for Italy to receive special privileges has quite frankly gone far enough. At this rate the next vote will be on complete independence after giving them both their own government and their own military if the recent bill passes. Why can these so-called Italians not accept that they are part of Germany and act as such? I understand that they feel neglected, but these efforts will just further separatist agendas. They should instead focus on furthering their agenda in the German government instead of trying to hide in their small corner of the country. As for the specific matter of giving them their own military, this will only cause great confusion for our armed forces during war and create an armed force not entirely taking orders from the German government. Why not seek a compromise and create a division of the army consisting mainly of Italians who serve in the region instead but still beholden to the Reichstag? Military matters should not be handled by anything less than the German government. Anything else is a security risk.

- Eva von Vandenburg
The current government is a fraud. These are nothing more then radical Lombard Nationalists that have taken controll of our government. They are using us to archieve their goal. A "Greater Italy with all German Lands from the Alps down... This is the second to last stage before they stage their coup and declare their independence.

Comrade Herzog Heinrich IV von Silesia-Glogau, Stadhalter of Breslau
 
Frau Viktor, do you not think it dangerous to allow the Italian government to have its own autonomous military? I see no reason to formally arm and train future rebels.

~ K.F. von Hohenzollern
No, in fact I do not think it is dangerous. The Italians will remain in brotherhood to the people of Germany, as long as we are able to stand equal to the German. As to formally training and arming rebels, well, if you see the entirety of the Italian people as rebels, then it is clear to me that you have no true brotherhood with any Italian.
Signora Victor
 
If the Italians continue to insist on these ridiculous schemes to further extract itself from Nürnberg, then perhaps the Italians are the ones who want for no brotherhood with the German. I would not be surprised to see the Italian members of the government are simply plotting to weaken the democracy and enhance the powers of their ethnic brethren at the expense of the German worker. It is astounding how you people keep being elected with your idiotic and nearly treasonous ideas.

The second bill proposed is outright a permanence of the Italian Parliament. What group would vote 75% to dissolve itself, and what man would willingly surrender his rights as the President of Italy even if the German people and the Reichstag decree that his state should no longer be given autonomy than any other province?

There is nothing good about the cockroaches we call our Chancellor and Cabinet.
 
Frau Victor,

I am sorry, but your proposals are insane. I do not even think that Herr Meningen is so mad as to support an Italy that is de facto independent from Germany.
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Dear nephew,

The present administration is undemocratic, allowing only members of the liberal bloc to serve in important roles. If not for the sensibility of Herr Gutfreund, we would have no meaningful positions in the government at all. It is well for Herr Adimari that he is President of Italy, and perhaps he can restrain the Italian Parliament, but that does not give non-liberals any sort of say in the government of Nürnberg. I do believe that some of your criticisms are sound, and I have amended the bill to read:

1) No German cabinet may consist of members from only a single ideology. Ideology is defined as the present blocs in the Conclave, which are currently Communism, Socialism, Anarcho-Liberalism, Liberalism, Conservatism, and Reactionary.
2) Cabinet here is defined as "Chancellor, Foreign Minister, Minister of the Interior, Minister of War, Minister of Finance, or Minister of Education."

I hope this clarifies your concerns.

Fritz von Hohenzollern
 
Frau Victor,

I am sorry, but your proposals are insane. I do not even think that Herr Meningen is so mad as to support an Italy that is de facto independent from Germany.

I do not doubt for a second that these proposals will be struck down. The anti-federalist feelings in the Reichstag, even among those that claim to support egalitarianism, is strong to the point of insurmountable. However, I will fight and continue to fight for the rights of oppressed masses, whether they be in Rome, Nitra, or Somerset.
The Italian Parliament bring us a proposal, and instead of discussing it as mature politicians, we dismiss it off-hand as we would a child. Doing so, we then decide to punish the Italians for the fault of petitioning the German government. I must ask you gentlemen, if our roles were reversed, would we not hate our oppressors? If it was a regional government made up of Bavarians, would we declare the matter of a citizen being killed so trivially?
The people of Italy have lived and continue to live under a Reichstag that calls them rebels without so much a second thought. The repeal of the Italian Home Rule is assured as soon as another group aside from the Liberal Coalition gains power. This constant threat of repealing all Federalist legislation grows tiring for the all of Italy, and it grows tiring for the remaining ethnic groups without their own parliament. The legacy of the all whom reside in the Reichstag should be one of cooperation and peace with these groups, not the division and base racial enmity that presides.
My husband, the light of my life, died for what he believed. I am willing to do the same.
~Signora Victor
 
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I must condem in the strongest terms the efforts to permit the Italian Region more autonomy in particular those persons who would seek to permit devloution of martial authority. The devloution of martial authority would make it a trivial matter for a treasonous Italian parliament or a high ranking general to over time purge the Italian officer corps of any officers loyal to Germany first and Italy second and thus allowing them to be in a position to stage a bid to total Independence from Nuremberg at their leisure. I hope that my colleges can understand that such a position is totally untenable if we wish to live in a united republic. I call upon the Federalists and those others amoung us eho support this legislation to finally tell us if they want to live in a untie German Republic and if so how they can reconcile this with recent legislation brough before this body.
 
The current government is a fraud. These are nothing more then radical Lombard Nationalists that have taken controll of our government. They are using us to archieve their goal. A "Greater Italy with all German Lands from the Alps down... This is the second to last stage before they stage their coup and declare their independence.

Comrade Herzog Heinrich IV von Silesia-Glogau, Stadhalter of Breslau

You sir are the assclown of Germany, nay, the entire world.

Let us leave things the way they are. No separate Italian military but no repeal of Italian Home Rule.

-Chancellor Meningen
 
Are all conservatives just Hohenzollern lapdogs? Are all communists Arabian lapdogs?

I appreciate you may view Herr Meningen as somewhat outspoken, but that does not mean we all just follow his lead.

~Samuel von Dwyfor-Frauenkirche, Reichspräsident
 
I do not doubt for a second that these proposals will be struck down. The anti-federalist feelings in the Reichstag, even among those that claim to support egalitarianism, is strong to the point of insurmountable. However, I will fight and continue to fight for the rights of oppressed masses, whether they be in Rome, Nitra, or Summerset.
If you care so much about Somerset, perhaps you may learn to pronounce it.
 
If you care so much about Somerset, perhaps you may learn to pronounce it.

His pronunciation sounded perfect to my ears – as aged as they may be.
 
Are all conservatives just Hohenzollern lapdogs? Are all communists Arabian lapdogs?

I appreciate you may view Herr Meningen as somewhat outspoken, but that does not mean we all just follow his lead.

~Samuel von Dwyfor-Frauenkirche, Reichspräsident

If you aren't a Meiningen stooge, then perhaps you should act like it and push against his reckless and damaging policies. He is the only one that speaks for his party, and you let him do it.
 
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You sir are the assclown of Germany, nay, the entire world.

Let us leave things the way they are. No separate Italian military but no repeal of Italian Home Rule.

-Chancellor Meningen

This I can agree to. As much as I dislike Italian Home Rule, it did pass through the Reichstag. A separate Italian military, however, is a potentially dangerous proposition and sets a precedent for the eventual devolution of the Reichstag's powers. It is a slippery slope that can lead to Germany's collapse. Let us do as the Chancellor says and leave things as they are for now.

- Eva von Vandenburg
 
I will officially retract the Italian Military Act from the ballot, however I will continue to push for the Italian Preservation Act.
~Signora Victor
 
Regarding paragraph 1 of the Italian Preservation Act, I was under the impression that repealing the Italian Home Rule act already required the consent of the Italian Parliament. The Italian Parliament has been given "full legislative authority over affairs local to Italy" - and if the existence or nonexistence of the Parliament does not count as "affairs local to Italy", I would like to know what does.

Nontheless, I am glad to hear Frau Victor has retracted the Italian Military Act - especially considering that this whole question was prompted by the Parliament voting for less military presence, not more.
 
It doesn't require the consent of the Italian Parliament to repeal it. Otherwise it would be impossible to. What body would vote to dissolve itself?