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I must say that despite my previous speech I did not mean to imply that the Italian integration negoations would be abandoned. On the contrary I wish to someday see the Italian Republic integrated within our great nation just as much as I hope to restore our current Italian brothers as true members of the republic. Sadly, the terms that were negotiated by the previous administration before the Great War were grossly unacceptable and would have served to do nothing but to weaken Germany via an embarrassing giveaway of land. I will not abandon such integral and long held parts of the republic anymore then I would abandon my right foot. Consistent with this belief I introduce the following legislation:

Republic Preservation Act
  1. The Forign Minister will be forbidden from surrendering land to another nation in time of peace.
  2. The above requirment may be overridden by a 3/4 vote of both the Assembly and the Conclave
  3. Such a vote can only be initiated by the Foreign Minister.
 

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There is only so much a Reichstag can do to tie the hands of a future Reichstag. It seems to me that if the proposed Republic Preservation Act becomes law, that the first thing a future Reichstag, which wished to approve a transaction that seems to violate it, would do would be to repeal the Act by simple majority vote in both chambers, the exact same vote that would be needed to approve the transaction.

I ask the Chief Justice to give his opinion of my analysis.

Gutfreund, Chancellor
 

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There is only so much a Reichstag can do to tie the hands of a future Reichstag. It seems to me that if the proposed Republic Preservation Act becomes law, that the first thing a future Reichstag, which wished to approve a transaction that seems to violate it, would do would be to repeal the Act by simple majority vote in both chambers, the exact same vote that would be needed to approve the transaction.

I ask the Chief Justice to give his opinion of my analysis.

Gutfreund, Chancellor

Herr Chancellor,

Your opinion is quite correct. The ease of repealing legislation in the present system means that the 3/4s mandate would be easily countered.

I call for a vote of no confidence against the Foregn Minister for his reckless disregard for the will of the German government and the Italian people.

-Herr Liberator

All members of the Assembly only must now vote on the no-confidence proposal submitted by Herr Meningen.

Chief Justice of the Supreme Court
 

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I call for a vote of no confidence against the Foregn Minister for his reckless disregard for the will of the German government and the Italian people.

-Herr Liberator

Herr Meningen, the Foreign Minister is a member of the government -- his will is the will of the government.

~ F. H. von Hohenzollern
 

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I have the upmost confidence in the Foreign Minister. Now if disgruntled members of the Reichstag would stop throwing around no confidence votes every time they mildly disagree with something, we could get some things done.

- Eva von Vandenburg
 

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Herr Meningen, the Foreign Minister is a member of the government -- his will is the will of the government.

~ F. H. von Hohenzollern

Except that he has repeatedly defied the Chancellor's wishes. Why the Liberals still maintain a coalition with the Conservatives is completely baffling.


I of course vote no confidence.
 

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give me examples of the Foreign Minister failure to follow the will of the chancellor and the people?

Alexander Von Smithereens

Nobody will do your job of investigating for you, good sir. Myself (Chief Historian of the Reichstag) and the other bureaucrats have our hands full. Speaking about this, we shall be publishing an update on the leadership of the Reich very soon, as well as the current Stadtholders and Assemblymen. Thank you.

Chief Historian of the Reichstag
 

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This list does not show every Chancellor to ever govern Germany, but it expressly demonstrates where the power of state lies. The Consuls of old, and the modern Chancellor share more than the Reichsprasident does with the Consul. After 1829, we begin with Chancellors of the Republic, rather than the Consul, whose office was abolished. This list should form a concrete continuity of state, beginning with Herr von Werl's overthrow of the Hohenzollerns in 1714 to the current ministry of Herr Gutfreund.

Of note, those whose historical records fail to mark a specific political affiliation are marked as Nonpartisan; those who are considered "Free Candidates" in the early Republic are marked as Nonpartisan. The Young Bavarians are simply the Imperialists with another name, as per historical records.

This latest update makes known to the Reichstag lists that Herr von Leute was killed in an attempt of insurrection; and the entrance of Herr von Smithereens into the Reichstag. Thank you. If there are any mistakes, please leave a message with my office, and we will revise it ASAP.

As well, common colloquial names for some notable figures have been included:

"Staatsvater" for Herr von Hohenzollern, (State's father)
"der Schreckliche" for Herr Arndt, (The Terrible)
"der Märtyer" for Herr von Bern, (The Martyr)
"der Eiserne Kanzler" for Herr von Bismarck, (The Iron Chancellor)
and "der Befreier" for Herr Meiningen, which he commonly goes by in day-to-day mail. (The Liberator)


16 November 1696: Kaiser Friedrich IV declares the Republic; he would declare himself a dictator in 1703; thus we represent it with a different entry.
1696 - 1703: Friedrich IV "Staatsvater" von Hohenzollern (Imperial Nonpartisan)
1703 - 1714: Friedrich IV "Staatsvater" von Hohenzollern (Dictatorship)
1714 - 1747: Leopold Johann von Werl (Revolutionary Nonpartisan)
1747 - 1750: Wilhelm Rainer (Young Bavarians)
1751 - 1753: Joseph Wecker (Nonpartisan free candidate)
1753 - 1761: Ruprecht Kohn (Nonpartisan, unopposed)
1761 - 1769: Joachim Hector Lindner (NS)
1769 - 1777: Leopold Johann von Franken (NS / Young Bavarian)
1777 - 1783: Johann Georg von Weimar (UAI / Alliance)
1783 - 1789: Wilhelm Friedrich Edelmann (NS)
1789 - 1798: Leopold Ferdinand "der Schreckliche" Arndt (Nonpartisan)
1798 - 1805: Leopold Johann von Höhn (Nonpartisan)
1805 - 1813: Johann Nestor Wachsmuth (Alliance)
1813 - 1821: Ferdinand Maria Schumann (Nonpartisan)
1821 - 1829: Georg Friedrich von Arnim-Boitzenburg (UAI)
1829 - 1836: Konrad von Hohenzollern (NS)

1836 - 1840
: Miguel de la Rosa Picard (UAI)
1840 - 1845
: Florentin Willem Graf von Wächtersbach (NS)
1845 - 1849
: Alex "der Märtyrer" von Bern (NS)
1849
: Friedrich-Augustus von Altmark (UAI, Acting)
1849 - 1863
: Otto "der Eiserne Kanzler" von Bismarck (NS)
1863 - 1865
: Hugo Unger (HUN)
1865 - 1869
: Michael von Hohenzollern (HUN)
1869 - 1870
: Konrad von Schwaben (NLPD)
1870
: Ludwig Fredrik Andersen (UAI)
1870 - 1880
: Konrad von Schwaben (NLPD)
1880 - 1885
: Frederick Carlile (NLPD)
1885 - 1890
: Franz "der Befreier" Meiningen (Bundespartei)
1890 - incumbent
: Hals Friedrich Gutfreund (NLPD)

...

The following persons are of note in the Conclave of Stadtholders:

Frau Clarissa Rafanelli-Askanier
of Turin, KPD
Herr Franz von Bavel-Timmermans of Rotterdam, DSU
Herr Rodrigo de la Rosa von Stauffenburg of Brussels, UAI
Herr Walther Herwig of Bad Harolsen, UAI
Frmr. Kanzler und Prasident Konrad von Schwaben of Freiburg, NLPD.
Frmr. Kanzler Johannes Carlile of München, NLPD
Frau Maria Victor of Foggia, Bundespartei
Reichspräsident Samuel von Dwyfor-Frauenkirche of Somerset-in-Exile, Bundespartei
Herr Albrecht von Spinoza of Kiel, Conservative
Herr Abel von Gawk of Königgratz, Conservative. ((This guy is listed as "Bohemia", so I'm taking artistic license.))
Herr Franz Josef von Habsburg-Lothringen of Vienna, Conservative
Herr Hubert Schaumburg of Prague, Conservative
Herr Konrad Friedrich von Hohenzollern, Hereditary Stadtholder of Nürnberg, Conservative
Herr Hans-Jurgen von Arnim-Boitzenburg of Berlin, Imperialists
Herr Otto von Altmark of Altmark, Imperialists
Herr Paul Friedrich Emil Leopold of Detmold, Independent

...

The following are notable members of the Assembly:


Herr Lukas von Freiberg of Freiberg, DSU
Herr Axel Wouters of Brussels, DSU
Herr Christian Peymann of Aarhus, DDA
Herr G.A. Servatius van Kloetinge, DDA
Frmr. Kanzler Ludwig Fredrik Andersen of Friedrichshafen, UAI
Herr Frederick Thiessen of Münich, UAI
Reichskanzler H.F. Gutfreund of Hannover, NLPD
Frmr. Kanzler Franz "the Liberator" Meiningen of Ost-Berlin, Bundespartei
Herr Friedrich von Livland of West-Berlin, Bundespartei
Präsident von Italien Karl Adimari of Trent, Conservative
Herr Friedrich von Nassau of Nassau, Conservative
Herr Giuseppe Putini of Livorno, Conservative
Herr Alexander von Smithereens of Bern, Conservative
Herr Franz Ferdinand "der Beinbrecher" Schuettler of Nuremberg, Conservative
Frau Eva von Vandenburg of München, Imperialists

- Chief Historian of the Reichstag

((Also, Avi! I went back through my posts and found out that you never put my bill about moving the National Day to vote.))
 
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As we dawn on the 20th century, I do wonder. Why can one vote at age 18, but not represent their country, their friends, families and community in the Reichstag at that age ? I do know this has been shot down in the past, but I propose the following :

A new century, a new generation :

1: The right to be elected will be lowered to 25 years of age. Let us allow the young in and allow them to share their views. Nowaday, most Germans are literate and more then able to gather support from their people, and ready for politics as any 30 year old. This will be a five year experiment which will be enacted on the first of january 1900 and last untill 31 december 1904.

Let us try this and let us have a new, fresher, more modern view on politics.

Legbreaker

((Sorry for shitty quality, I cannot use my right hand (my typing, mouse and writing hand)due to an injury.))
 

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give me examples of the Foreign Minister failure to follow the will of the chancellor and the people?

Alexander Von Smithereens

1. He did not want to sign the peace plan with the Scots even though the Chancellor and the majority of the government did. A refusal to sign such peace may have led to defeat against France and the Byzantines.
2. He is opposing the agreement the Chancellor made with the representatives of Italy.

I am baffled why he still has his post even though he has embarrassed the Chancellor and the Liberals at every turn
 

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The Italian agreement, particularly where handing over such vast amounts of land to Rome is concerned; is absurd. And this is speaking as an Italian.
 

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to his excellency the chancellor
have we created a secretary of the navy post or something similar? If not we definitely should for the Deutsche Marine .

Alexander Von Smithereens

:cool:;)
This list does not show every Chancellor to ever govern Germany, but it expressly demonstrates where the power of state lies. The Consuls of old, and the modern Chancellor share more than the Reichsprasident does with the Consul. After 1829, we begin with Chancellors of the Republic, rather than the Consul, whose office was abolished. This list should form a concrete continuity of state, beginning with Herr von Werl's overthrow of the Hohenzollerns in 1714 to the current ministry of Herr Gutfreund.
Of note, those whose historical records fail to mark a specific political affiliation are marked as Nonpartisan; those who are considered "Free Candidates" in the early Republic are marked as Nonpartisan. The Young Bavarians are simply the Imperialists with another name, as per historical records.
This latest update makes known to the Reichstag lists that Herr von Leute was killed in an attempt of insurrection; and the entrance of Herr von Smithereens into the Reichstag. Thank you. If there are any mistakes, please leave a message with my office, and we will revise it ASAP.
As well, common colloquial names for some notable figures have been included:
"Staatsvater" for Herr von Hohenzollern, (State's father)
"der Schreckliche" for Herr Arndt, (The Terrible)
"der Märtyer" for Herr von Bern, (The Martyr)
"der Eiserne Kanzler" for Herr von Bismarck, (The Iron Chancellor)
and "der Befreier" for Herr Meiningen, which he commonly goes by in day-to-day mail. (The Liberator)


16 November 1696: Kaiser Friedrich IV declares the Republic; he would declare himself a dictator in 1703; thus we represent it with a different entry.
1696 - 1703: Friedrich IV "Staatsvater" von Hohenzollern (Imperial Nonpartisan)
1703 - 1714: Friedrich IV "Staatsvater" von Hohenzollern (Dictatorship)
1714 - 1747: Leopold Johann von Werl (Revolutionary Nonpartisan)
1747 - 1750: Wilhelm Rainer (Young Bavarians)
1751 - 1753: Joseph Wecker (Nonpartisan free candidate)
1753 - 1761: Ruprecht Kohn (Nonpartisan, unopposed)
1761 - 1769: Joachim Hector Lindner (NS)
1769 - 1777: Leopold Johann von Franken (NS / Young Bavarian)
1777 - 1783: Johann Georg von Weimar (UAI / Alliance)
1783 - 1789: Wilhelm Friedrich Edelmann (NS)
1789 - 1798: Leopold Ferdinand "der Schreckliche" Arndt (Nonpartisan)
1798 - 1805: Leopold Johann von Höhn (Nonpartisan)
1805 - 1813: Johann Nestor Wachsmuth (Alliance)
1813 - 1821: Ferdinand Maria Schumann (Nonpartisan)
1821 - 1829: Georg Friedrich von Arnim-Boitzenburg (UAI)
1829 - 1836: Konrad von Hohenzollern (NS)

1836 - 1840
: Miguel de la Rosa Picard (UAI)
1840 - 1845
: Florentin Willem Graf von Wächtersbach (NS)
1845 - 1849
: Alex "der Märtyrer" von Bern (NS)
1849
: Friedrich-Augustus von Altmark (UAI, Acting)
1849 - 1863
: Otto "der Eiserne Kanzler" von Bismarck (NS)
1863 - 1865
: Hugo Unger (HUN)
1865 - 1869
: Michael von Hohenzollern (HUN)
1869 - 1870
: Konrad von Schwaben (NLPD)
1870
: Ludwig Fredrik Andersen (UAI)
1870 - 1880
: Konrad von Schwaben (NLPD)
1880 - 1885
: Frederick Carlile (NLPD)
1885 - 1890
: Franz "der Befreier" Meiningen (Bundespartei)
1890 - incumbent
: Hals Friedrich Gutfreund (NLPD)

...

The following persons are of note in the Conclave of Stadtholders:

Frau Clarissa Rafanelli-Askanier
of Turin, KPD
Herr Franz von Bavel-Timmermans of Rotterdam, DSU
Herr Rodrigo de la Rosa von Stauffenburg of Brussels, UAI
Herr Walther Herwig of Bad Harolsen, UAI
Frmr. Kanzler und Prasident Konrad von Schwaben of Freiburg, NLPD.
Frmr. Kanzler Johannes Carlile of München, NLPD
Frau Maria Victor of Foggia, Bundespartei
Reichspräsident Samuel von Dwyfor-Frauenkirche of Somerset-in-Exile, Bundespartei
Herr Albrecht von Spinoza of Kiel, Conservative
Herr Abel von Gawk of Königgratz, Conservative. ((This guy is listed as "Bohemia", so I'm taking artistic license.))
Herr Franz Josef von Habsburg-Lothringen of Vienna, Conservative
Herr Hubert Schaumburg of Prague, Conservative
Herr Konrad Friedrich von Hohenzollern, Hereditary Stadtholder of Nürnberg, Conservative
Herr Hans-Jurgen von Arnim-Boitzenburg of Berlin, Imperialists
Herr Otto von Altmark of Altmark, Imperialists
Herr Paul Friedrich Emil Leopold of Detmold, Independent
...

The following are notable members of the Assembly:

Herr Lukas von Freiberg of Freiberg, DSU
Herr Axel Wouters of Brussels, DSU
Herr Christian Peymann of Aarhus, DDA
Herr G.A. Servatius van Kloetinge, DDA
Frmr. Kanzler Ludwig Fredrik Andersen of Friedrichshafen, UAI
Herr Frederick Thiessen of Münich, UAI
Reichskanzler H.F. Gutfreund of Hannover, NLPD
Frmr. Kanzler Franz "the Liberator" Meiningen of Ost-Berlin, Bundespartei
Herr Friedrich von Livland of West-Berlin, Bundespartei
Präsident von Italien Karl Adimari of Trent, Conservative
Herr Friedrich von Nassau of Nassau, Conservative
Herr Giuseppe Putini of Livorno, Conservative
Herr Alexander von Smithereens of Bern, Conservative
Herr Franz Ferdinand "der Beinbrecher" Schuettler of Nuremberg, Conservative
Frau Eva von Vandenburg of München, Imperialists
- Chief Historian of the Reichstag

((Also, Avi! I went back through my posts and found out that you never put my bill about moving the National Day to vote.))
((interestingly you put yourself at the top of the list of notable people in the conclave));):confused::cool:
 
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Herr Schutter's bill is added to the ballot. The ballot will be formally published when the no-confidence vote is finished.

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EDIT: ((I've added a "Chronicles of the Republic" entry to our table of contents.))
 

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to his excellency the chancellor
have we created a secretary of the navy post or something similar? If not we definitely should for the Deutsche Marine .

Alexander Von Smithereens

:cool:;)
((interestingly you put yourself at the top of the list of notable people in the conclave));):confused::cool:

Herr von Smithereens, the Reichsmarine falls under the purview of the Ministry of War in time of peace, and under that of the Großer Generalstab in time of war.

~ K. F. von Hohenzollern
 

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Herr von Smithereens, the Reichsmarine falls under the purview of the Ministry of War in time of peace, and under that of the Großer Generalstab in time of war.

~ K. F. von Hohenzollern
I would like to propose a legislation relating to the navy

the naval department creation act

  1. the department of navy will be created
  2. The navy of the republic will be controlled by the department of navy and not by Ministry of War or the Großer Generalstab during war and peace
  3. the naval department will report to the chancellor and the assembly/conclave
((the name should be Führungsstab des Heeres or Kommando Heer, KdoHeer instead of Großer Generalstab ?))

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