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Female suffrage is not proper at this time. First we must equalize women in education and jobs, and only after they have caught up intellectually I will support female suffrage. I still think such a thing should be a secondary objective for the woman. Our children should be the primary objective of our women. It is not for selfish, sexist reasons that I want to hold women back from voting. It is for our children. If women evolve to match up to men completely, our society will collapse and our children will be the first victims of said collapse. Evolution has given both sexes a clear purpose. It is our task as men to guard our women and children. It has been such since the dawn of time. Why change it now, and so sudden ? I know society has evolved . The old roles set by God and Evolution should not be disregarded in this new age however.

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How can they advance in education and jobs if you do not let them leave the house? How can they imrpove their sex if they are not allowed to express their views at the pollng station?
 

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How can they advance in education and jobs if you do not let them leave the house? How can they imrpove their sex if they are not allowed to express their views at the pollng station?
Such things should be a side goal of the averange women.It should be possible for them to go to school. It is just important we do not destroy the averange family while we give women more rights. I foresee a future where women work before having kids, then quit their job, and when the kids have grown up enough, return to said job untill the day they die.
 

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The future of Germany under an Imperialist dream leadership which shall see people worked to death in factories without the right of organization and the general case of industrial slavery, as well as autocratic centrist absolute monarchies where the nobility may do as they wish to the peasantry without the proper justice being invoked... I can only shudder.

To see the future of Germany as envisioned by Comrade Glogau's mind... Imagine a boot stamping on a human face -- forever.
 

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The future of Germany under an Imperialist dream leadership which shall see people worked to death in factories without the right of organization and the general case of industrial slavery, as well as autocratic centrist absolute monarchies where the nobility may do as they wish to the peasantry without the proper justice being invoked... I can only shudder.

To see the future of Germany as envisioned by Comrade Glogau's mind... Imagine a boot stamping on a human face -- forever.
You call me a supporter of crazy reactionary ideals, just for being born into the high nobility of our noble country ? I am a proud supporter of the German Republic . I proudly represent my people, who have fairly elected me, their once God given leader, to be their chief representative in politics. It is a discriminating stereotype to refer to the old nobility, like myself, as common criminals only intending to ruin the Republic for their own good. I do think the working ''class'' must have a say. I am just wary that not all tradition, one of the holy and sacred things binding our country together, will disappear. That is why I think this progress should go at a steady, but cautious path. What ''Comrade'' Liebknecht proposes is like putting a rock in the steam pipe of a train. It will explode us and the German Republic.

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Female suffrage is not proper at this time. First we must equalize women in education and jobs, and only after they have caught up intellectually I will support female suffrage. I still think such a thing should be a secondary objective for the woman. Our children should be the primary objective of our women. It is not for selfish, sexist reasons that I want to hold women back from voting. It is for our children. If women evolve to match up to men completely, our society will collapse and our children will be the first victims of said collapse. Evolution has given both sexes a clear purpose. It is our task as men to guard our women and children. It has been such since the dawn of time. Why change it now, and so sudden ? I know society has evolved . The old roles set by God and Evolution should not be disregarded in this new age however.

Representative Heinrich IV von Silesia-Glogau
Ah, but do you not see. Instead of destroying the family unit, by giving women the right to vote, we are protecting it. Women have a vested interest in the family, and will bring the problems of the family to the Reichstag. When the price of basic food stock increases, who else but the family suffers? When crime and vagrancy stalk our streets, who takes a concern but the mother and wife? These important facets of German life require debate in the Reichstag, and who else but women will lend voice to that debate?
 

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The UAI has always supported the full rights and citizenship of ethnic minorities in Germany. Despite the cries of conservatives and imperialists alike, this has not robbed the Republic of its German character.

Similarly, granting the vote to women would not rob the government of the council of wise men. Instead, it would multiply the voting power of good, hard-working families that are the bedrock of our political system already. The UAI stands behind women's suffrage.

((There, I think I got the mix of sexism and idealism right for a 19th Century liberal. I was actually planning to have my character's opinion evolve later in life, but I don't think this is going to be an issue long enough for that character development to happen. Plus, I'm effectively the UAI right now. I don't think the UAI would do otherwise.))
 

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You call me a supporter of crazy reactionary ideals, just for being born into the high nobility of our noble country ? I am a proud supporter of the German Republic . I proudly represent my people, who have fairly elected me, their once God given leader, to be their chief representative in politics. It is a discriminating stereotype to refer to the old nobility, like myself, as common criminals only intending to ruin the Republic for their own good. I do think the working ''class'' must have a say. I am just wary that not all tradition, one of the holy and sacred things binding our country together, will disappear. That is why I think this progress should go at a steady, but cautious path. What ''Comrade'' Liebknecht proposes is like putting a rock in the steam pipe of a train. It will explode us and the German Republic.

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It seems our present Liberal government will support any bizarre scheme that someone has managed to tag the word "liberty" on to. What next, gentlemen? Votes for children? Trade unions for horses? Self-determination for factory equipment?

I do not believe that the present government has any democratic mandate to make sweeping changes to the electoral system. There was no talk of Votes For Women in any of the Liberal parties' manifestoes. And as far as I am aware, aside from a vocal handful of marching "Suffragettes", we do not even have a majority of women in support of Woman's Suffrage.

If the people want Votes For Women, they should have the chance to vote for or against it themselves. Until they have demonstrably done so, I shall continue to oppose the Woman's Suffrage proposal.
 

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Herr Adimari has a good point. It seems that the liberals of this government will latch onto any new issue without considering the consequences. I'm sure the millions of Germans arguing for an increased minimum wage would not be pleased to find out that the liberal government puts the agenda of several hundred women ahead of them when considering reform.

- Wilhelm von Vandenburg
 

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The Communist Party stands for labour reforms, wage increases and female voting, and shall always look to defend the German worker.
 

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The Chancellor of Germany gives full support to the sufferegettes. The right to vote is among the very things necessary to defend one's liberty and rights in German society. To deny the women a vote is to say half of our population's opinion of government doesn't matter, which is the worst thing those running a country could say to their people.

-Chancellor Fredrick Carile
 

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In fact, I propose this legislation in addition to womens' suffrage

The Government Reform on the Status of Women in Government

Henceforth in Germany,

1. Women can hold positions in the Assembly and Conclave

2. Women can hold positions in the Chancellor's Government.

3. Women can be elected to the position of ReichPresident.

4. This legislation will take effect starting next election.

-Chancellor Fredrick Carile
 

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(Finally caught up, was somewhat delayed by a surgery earlier in the week that messed up my reading - it was minor, I'm fine, etc. Oh, and for the record I'm still laughing at "wittle Billy Dueces" though that might be the painkillers talking.)

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Name: Friedrich von Livland, Duke of Wessex
Born: 1831 in Jelgava, Kurland
Party: Bundespartei
Chamber: Assembly
Representing: Berlin

Born into an elite family of Baltic Germans in Kurland, Friedrich's early life was that of ease and luxury. Fleeing the country and abandoning their prior identity after the establishment of the Hohenzollern dictatorship, the newly rechristened Livlands found sanctuary and succor in the Republic of Germany. Settling into the city of Berlin with what wealth they had managed to save, it was not long before they were introduced to the pretender to the English throne living in exile in Germany. After a brief courtship, Friedrich married the pretender's eldest daughter, the Princess Victoria, and was given the courtesy title Duke of Wessex.

Following the chaos of the socialist uprising, Friedrich and his wife vowed to attempt to bring a measure of peace to all Germans by entering into politics and restore national civility and order. A staunch liberal, some would say socialist, he abhors any inkling of dictatorship and seeks to improve the lot of the common man. He additionally feels that the mission of the Republic should be to bring all the Germans of the world into her embrace - by any means. Swept into office by the liberal wave that overtook the nation in general and Berlin in particular, he has so far been a quiet backbencher, though he and his wife have taken a keen interest in the suffragette debate.
 

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Wilhelm spits out his tea.

Are you all mad? I may admit that I am an opponent of most change, but even if I was a liberal I'd be against this madness. Any change, no matter how good, must take its time and happen gradually. Forcing something so radical upon the population when most of them either don't support the effort or have never heard of it is absurd. So if a class of school kids start demanding the right to vote, will all of you support them too? If women truly wish to vote, give them time to voice that opinion and to let the rest of the population soak the idea in. Don't force it upon the population before they're ready just because you all jump at any mention of "liberty" or "rights".

- Wilhelm von Vandenburg
 

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What next, gentlemen? Votes for children? Trade unions for horses? Self-determination for factory equipment?

Insulting half of your future constituents is perhaps not the wisest thing you have ever said, Herr Adimari.

It should not need to be said, but women are not children, women are not horses and women are not factory equipment. They are men's partners in this life, for the most part, and are deserving of men's respect.

I welcome Chancellor Carile's proposed legislation and support it enthusiastically.

HF Gutfreund, Minister of War
 

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The Assembly member of the Bundespartei from Berlin would like to announce his support for women's suffrage.

- Otto Kant
 

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The Communist Party and the Central Committee of the Party applaud the Chancellor for his standing on the right side of history.
 

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Women's Suffrage: Nay
 

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The following items are now up for the vote:

1. Shall all German women be able to vote after reaching their majority?

2. Herr Carile's amendment:


The Government Reform on the Status of Women in Government

Henceforth in Germany,

1. Women can hold positions in the Assembly and Conclave

2. Women can hold positions in the Chancellor's Government.

3. Women can be elected to the position of ReichPresident.

4. This legislation will take effect starting next election.

All members of both houses should vote; voting will close in 72 hours ((Monday at 10 PM, -6 GMT)). ((@Grimely and @Qwerty7, as the Bundespartei is not officially seated until after this coming update, you will not be able to vote. Same for @Sakura_F. Expressions of support are fine, but your votes will not be counted. Existing characters who intended to move to the Bundespartei will be counted as voting with their old parties.))