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1. Shall Germany legalize socialist trade unions?
I vote Nay for the same reasons as i have articulated before
2. Shall Germany support the creation of a Jewish homeland in Syria?
Nay supporting the Jews offers us no benefit nor is it a prudent idea in any other fashion
3. Shall Germany support Friedrich Krupp and accept his sponsorship of German schools?
Yes, this man is really quite intelligent and his priorities are the priorities that Germany ought to be embracing if we are to remain a relevant and powerful nation.
4. Shall all prisoners convicted of treason be automatically executed, with no possibility of appeal?
Yes those whom abandon their country and slaughter their brothers deserve nothing less then death.

That would be a treasonous attempt to destabilise the state.
Good sir I knew that you were really quite conservative but really I assure you this room is not full of traitors simply because we believe that we must from time to time change laws. Indeed calling us traitors ween we have seen what a true unapologetic traitor looks like so recently is insulting and ignorant of you.
 

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1. Shall Germany legalize socialist trade unions?
I vote Nay for the same reasons as i have articulated before
2. Shall Germany support the creation of a Jewish homeland in Syria?
Nay supporting the Jews offers us no benefit nor is it a prudent idea in any other fashion
3. Shall Germany support Friedrich Krupp and accept his sponsorship of German schools?
Yes, this man is really quite intelligent and his priorities are the priorities that Germany ought to be embracing if we are to remain a relevant and powerful nation.
4. Shall all prisoners convicted of treason be automatically executed, with no possibility of appeal?
Yes those whom abandon their country and slaughter their brothers deserve nothing less then death.


Good sir I knew that you were really quite conservative but really I assure you this room is not full of traitors simply because we believe that we must from time to time change laws. Indeed calling us traitors ween we have seen what a true unapologetic traitor looks like so recently is insulting and ignorant of you.

From the smallest law to the broadest, all changes bring us closer to anarchic rule by the mob and their ilk.

Treason is treason, no matter how small.
 

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As to the DOW, Ja.

As to the rest:

1. Shall Germany legalize socialist trade unions? Ja
2. Shall Germany support the creation of a Jewish homeland in Syria? Nein
3. Shall Germany support Friedrich Krupp and accept his sponsorship of German schools? Ja
4. Shall all prisoners convicted of treason be automatically executed, with no possibility of appeal? Barbaric. Shall we restore drawing and quartering as well? Nein

Hals Gutfreund
 

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I, of course, vote for the declaration of war.

I support socialist trade unions as a way to distract the working class from their actual problems and issues. I cannot support disenfranchising loyal German allies, and so I vote against an Israeli homeland in Syria. Herr Krupp is a good man and a good friend; I support this program. Finally, it pains me deeply to see that my cousin suffered no serious punishment for killing my brother in cold blood and the lives of thousands of other Germans. I vote for the treason act that no other family shall suffer as mine has suffered.

Fritz von Hohenzollern
 

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This 'Treason Act' goes against everything that justice stands for. What is justice is decided in court by the judge/and or jury, not by politicians. It will ruin the german justice system.
Surely you do not think that the penalty for breaking a law is up to the court to decide? The people through us decide the penalty. We make the penalty law and in many cases decide that the judges ought to be given a certain amount of discretion in determining the guilties' penalty. I can not think of any circumstance were the treason against our great state ought be met with anything other then death to insure the security and continued security of the German Republic ; as such I have supplied a bill that reflects what I believe to be a more appropriate penalty for the crime of treason.

Barbaric. Shall we restore drawing and quartering as well?
Hals Gutfreund
You accuse me of barbarism? This is neither a new penalty nor is it terribly cruel to kill those who would attempt to topple status quo through force of arms. Nobody is suggesting the use of drawing and quartering and comparing a simple hanging to drawing and quartering is inappropriate.
 

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If I must input on a possible war, I say, Aye, go for it! May Germany's soldiers ride forth with Victory!
 

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You accuse me of barbarism? This is neither a new penalty nor is it terribly cruel to kill those who would attempt to topple status quo through force of arms. Nobody is suggesting the use of drawing and quartering and comparing a simple hanging to drawing and quartering is inappropriate.
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I object to the automatic imposition of the death penalty upon conviction of treason; just because your imagination is insufficient to conceive of circumstances where a lesser penalty would be appropriate and just, does not mean that such circumstances cannot ever exist. I object even more strongly to the denial of any appeal: courts of first instance have often been flat out wrong in their decisions and application of the law, and justice has been served only by the intervention of an appellate tribunal.
 
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The ballots have been tabulated; here are the results.

1. DOW on the Toucouleur Empire passes both houses, 436 votes to 64 and 46 votes to 23. ((@LatinKaiser, you'll need to make a war plan. Let me know if you need anything.))
2. Permitting socialist trade unions passes both houses, 417 votes to 64 and 50 votes to 17.
3. The proposal to fund a Jewish homeland in Syria fails in both houses, 44 votes to 284 and 23 votes to 39.
4. The funding of Friedrich Krupp passes both houses, 328 votes to 153 and 61 votes to 9.
5. The Treason Act fails in both houses, 107 votes to 392 and 6 votes to 63.

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((As soon as we get LK's plan, I'll try to find some time to play.))
 

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((Could I get a screenshot of our African forces?))
 

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Here is the war plan, Herren. My apologies for the delay.

- The two strongest armies that are best situated to board transport ships and launch an onvasion of Sierra Leone will be loaded onto transports
- From there the two aforementioned armies will land in Sierra Leone
- The German forces will occupy as much of the region as possible
- The German fleet will assist the land forces by establishing a blockade of the Toucouleur ports
- Once Sierra Leone has been occupied, the German forces are to defend the territory rather than invade further and risk loss of life due to attrition or guerilla attacks
 

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((Thanks, LK -- I will try to play tonight or tomorrow at the latest!))
 

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1878: The people speak

As 1st and 5th Army marched towards Flensburg and Bruges, awaiting transport to Africa, the DSU took advantage of the legalization of trade unions, and began mobilizing support for the public welfare plans they so desperately craved. By the end of the year, almost 10 million Germans were actively marching for one cause or another, but it was Germany's public school system that attracted the most fervor; indeed, without emergency legislation or a government crackdown on the organization, the hard-earned domestic peace might blow up into another brutal rebellion.

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Friedrich Krupp was one of the few Germans absolutely delighted with the "turn to the right"; not only was his education plan passed in the Reichstag with ease, but he received a lucrative contract to outfit every artillery brigade in the German army with new, more accurate, and more powerful guns. He also sold weapons around the world, including the suspected sale of modern artillery pieces to a reactionary rebel group in Hungary.

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Krupp's new artillery pieces worked like a charm for both Hungary and Germany. The invasion of Sierra Leone went without a hitch; total casualties for the war totalled less than 5% of German forces. Some of the more advanced models were fitted on new, more powerful battleships, seven of which were laid down in June. In the face of overwhelming firepower, the Toucouleur Empire surrendered. The people of Germany, focused entirely on the issue of domestic schools, categorically refused to support the annexation of Sierra Leone, which was returned to the Empire after the war.

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The speed and ferocity of Germany's new weapons impressed her friends and enemies alike. Algeria next sought to target Egyptian lands, but Foreign Minister Fritz von Hohenzollern refused to honor Algeria's request, telling a leading HUN newspaper that "we must be realists; Algeria is an economic partner, but to betray Ethiopia is unthinkable. I have regretfully informed their ambassador that Germany cannot come to her aid at this time, although we wish her the best in her campaign." The pleas of the ambassador from Tver similarly fell on deaf ears; the Poles sought to bring the Republic under economic domination and were bringing along their British allies to do so. Once again, the Foreign Minister refused, although in this case more regretfully. It was simply too much for the military and the economy to bear.

Matters truly came to a head in November. A flu pandemic spread throughout the nation, costing the government treasury £60,000, over 10% of the existing gold reserves.

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While humanitarian efforts, coordinated by the Minister of the Interior, enabled medicine to spread quickly and efficiently throughout the republic, a group of socialist doctors wrote an angry manifesto that appeared in every German newspaper. This group attacked President Carile and his administration for spending so much money and time on the military and not enough on the ordinary people of Germany. Almost £100,000 had been spent not six months earlier to upgrade three naval bases in Germany and German Croatia to ensure that there were appropriate facilities to construct more ironclads. Minister of War Hals Gutfreund defended his ministry's decision, stating that the new bases would create more German jobs and help protect Germany's borders from her enemies. He also pointed to a new joint initiative of the Ministry of Finance and Ministry of Education permitting private banks to print money; the savings on administrative costs alone would not only generate enough revenue to pay for the new bases, but to recoup the investment into the flu vaccine as well.

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The 1879 election rapidly approached, and Herr Carile's first term was approaching an end. Chancellor Konrad von Schwaben could not reclaim his old office, as he had the two constitutionally mandated terms and could not serve again. Did Herr von Schwaben have eyes on Germany's highest office, or did he have other electoral plans? What about the other parties? Who would vie for the Presidency, and who preferred to wait in the shadows and scoop up what was left?
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Herren,

We have one significant matter for the Reichstag: what shall we do about the education crisis? Any and all proposals will be considered and brought forward for a vote in 72 hours' time. ((Until Wednesday at 10 PM (-6 GMT))) Other proposals may also be added to the ballot at this time.

Those individuals wishing to run for Reichspräsident should declare their candidacy within the next 48 hours as well. The following individuals are assumed to be seeking nominations unless they choose to withdraw:

Franz von Bavel-Timmermans of the DSU ((TJDS))
Gerrit Aldo Servatius der Kloetinge of the DDA ((DensleyBlair))
Wilhelm von Vandenburg of the Imperialists ((Michaelangelo))
Karl Adimari of the New Society ((PTSnoop))
Ludwig Fredrik Andersen of the UAI ((Gen. Marshall))
Friedrich von Hohenstaufen of the HUN ((LatinKaiser))
Konrad von Schwaben of the NLPD ((Mikkel Glahder))

One additional individual may run per party, or two may run if the original candidate withdraws. Candidates may also make speeches at this time.

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((@WarlordSkorr, we're going to need a new tech from you -- TJDS' plan is up.

Next update will take us up to the election in June; we're adding a little bit of extra time for proposals because Monday is a holiday in the US.))
 
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We have betrayed the people of Tver. They cry for liberty, but we turn their backs on them to be devoured by the Polish and British brutes. How can Germany be the world's greatest power if she cannot protect her allies. How can she be the world guarantor of liberty if she does not defend her fellow republics? Why not use the new weapons we so easily crushed the African barbarians with?

In Hungary we have already seen the demise of democracy. In Translyvania we still see slavery. Shall we see the end of freedom in Tver as well? What an outrage!

With these sad facts in mind I am announcing that I shall run for president as one of the HUN candidates. Germany's foreign policy lethargy must end and she must retake her place as the protector of worldwide liberty. For if other nations flak to tyranny, than the Republic shall surely fall.

We must also not neglect the people at home. For too long, their cries for better schooling have been ignored by a capricious government, just as they have ignored their Tverian ally's plea for help. Thus, I propose that the Republic reform its schooling system to better educated all classes of citizens and to make sure different ethnic groups within the Republic's borders receive the same level of education. ((What schooling level are we at. And holy cow, that's a lot of radicalism for that movment))

-Herr Liberator

((TL, DR: running for president, proposing a schooling reform))
 

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I find myself agreeing with Herr Meningen. 40 years ago, my grandfather stood before the Reichstag and gave a speech denouncing those who would abandon the citizens of Somerset, as their plight was "not a concern of ours." I find myself thinking the same towards those who would now abandon Tver. I even find myself thinking the same towards those who refuse to educate our people - as the greatest nation in the world, is it not fair that our common people are given a chance to be the greatest common people in the world?
Both the Foreign and Domestic policies of Germany need an overhaul, and as such I must give my support to Herr Meningen in his efforts to provide these overhauls.

-Herr von Dwyfor-Frauenkirche

((Not officially voting yet, just throwing in my 2 cents.))
 
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