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I would point you toward the words of one Herr Spinoza. Or is perhaps calling socialists 'treasonous' not derogatory in your eyes?
- Adelbert af Ambroose

But Herr Spinoza did not call socialism 'treasonous', sir. He opined that "allowing socialists into government is tantamount to treason". It is not an opinion I share, but an opinion nevertheless. What it certainly isn't is what you claim it is; namely, evidence that anyone has uttered the word 'socialist' in calumny.

If I may be frank, however, this debate is a ridiculous waste of parliamentary time.

~G. A. Servatius van Kloetinge
 

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There is only one item on the ballot for this election: whether or not to pass minimum wage. The Minister of Social Affairs is not a legally recognized cabinet position, but as the rest of the cabinet fits constitutional guidelines, Herr Schwaben will have his first elected term as Chancellor.

Chief Justice of the Supreme Court

MG needs to give his introductory speech (be as sweeping as you can, as I will use it to determine how events work out) and other ministers can submit their plans as they like.
 

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I vote yes on minimum wage.

Also, my foreign plan for the immediate is to exercise influence where necessary to deter our enemies. We shall see what more is necessary in due time.

- Maximilian von Wittelsbach
 

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I vote yes on minimum wage.

Also, my foreign plan for the immediate is to exercise influence where necessary to deter our enemies. We shall see what more is necessary in due time.

- Maximilian von Wittelsbach

((And the prize for "most vague policy platform" goes to... :p Care to give me at least a little more guidance than that?))
 

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((And the prize for "most vague policy platform" goes to... :p Care to give me at least a little more guidance than that?))

((Try to influence nations near France, Poland and Great Britain that we can make our allies. I'm operating on seeing if any foreign adventurism opportunities show up.))
 

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- overheard conversation in a smoke-filled room in a private social club in Nürnberg.

"No-one's quite sure what to make of it, Gottfried. The Nürnberg Times are saying it's a new age in inter-party cooperation; the Preukischen Traditionelen are saying it's a confused mess and no good will come of it.

The Allianzzeitung are saying Von Schwaben is secretly a Conservative, and this new government is the, erm, "end of the Liberal ideal as we know it". Grundpfeiler are saying Von Schwaben is secretly a Conservative, but they're thrilled with the concept, and eagerly await the reopening of the State Planning Commission any day now. Die Freiburger Zeitung are saying he's secretly a Socialist, and it's the end of civilisiation as we know it. The Vox Electores are saying he's secretly a National Liberal, and just doing a very bad job of being secretive about it...

Vox Liberatus say the National Liberals have lost all credibility and the country's in a shambles. The Nationsstimme say well if the UAI hadn't imploded at the first taste of power then the Liberal Coalition would have made it more than six months anyway, and Von Schwaben's doing a good job with what he's been dealt.

Erste Arbeiterszeitung - hang on, I'm sure I've got that one here somewhere - ah, they're outraged that the Socialists have been given this "Social Affairs" thing, and say it's just another way of keeping the Working Man out of power. Der Eiscreme-Karton say basically the same thing, but they think it's a brilliant scheme and the fewer Working Men we have in Conclave the better. Der Eine Vahre Arbeiterszeitung maintain that they were into Socialism before it was cool, that these SP types should have pushed for more, that they're Propping Up the Corrupt Bureaucracy and that True Communism can only come about through Violent Revolution, Workers Of The World Unite, blah blah blah.

Vox Imperator say the Socialists are bascially just Meierist Conservatives plus a few zany schemes, and once the people see what a Socialist government looks like they'll abandon the Party and find someone else to protest-vote for. The Platist-Arbeiterszeitung say the same, except that it's just Von Gogh who's the Meierist Conservative and that the whole thing's been orchestrated by the Hohenzollerns in another attempt to crush down the working class. Der Zeit say it's just another election and they can't see what all the fuss is about.

I dread to think what the newspapers will be saying once the new government start actually *doing* things..."

- Wernher von Kermann
 

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(( Now I'm curious. Just what is a 'Meierist Conservative'? :D ))
 

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(( I was trying to think of some phrase for "In favour of the factories being under state control, rather than capitalist control". Since that's what Germany's had since practically the start of the Industrial Revolution, phrases like "nationalization" or "state socialism" don't really fit. But given that "under state control" has up until this point been equivalent to "under the control of Paul or Friedrich Meier", the word "Meierism" kinda made sense to me. :) ))
 

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(( I was trying to think of some phrase for "In favour of the factories being under state control, rather than capitalist control". Since that's what Germany's had since practically the start of the Industrial Revolution, phrases like "nationalization" or "state socialism" don't really fit. But given that "under state control" has up until this point been equivalent to "under the control of Paul or Friedrich Meier", the word "Meierism" kinda made sense to me. :) ))
((the story of How a industrial dynasty became a verb in german :p ))
 

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No to minimum wage. It will just encourage workers to put less effort in their work since they'll be guaranteed pay.

I also wish to bring attention to the reforms I brought up, but which seem to have slipped through the cracks yet again. Clearly the administration is overwhelmed by recent events, so hopefully they can still be included in the ballot. ((I posted this a couple pages back, but it must have gotten lost in the clutter.))

If no one party controls 50% of the seats, party leaders are free to form coalitions as they see fit.

Every party leader is assumed to be their party's candidate for the position of Chancellor unless explicitly stated otherwise by the party leader or a majority of the party.

- Wilhelm von Vandenburg
 

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((Try to influence nations near France, Poland and Great Britain that we can make our allies. I'm operating on seeing if any foreign adventurism opportunities show up.))

((I would try to influence/ally Transylvania))

I oppose the minimum wage. It would impose undue regulations on businesses and stifle the freedom of the German people.

-Herr Liberator
 

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((I would try to influence/ally Transylvania))

I oppose the minimum wage. It would impose undue regulations on businesses and stifle the freedom of the German people.

-Herr Liberator
Sir, you are wrong.It would give them greater economical liberty, as with their increased pays they can buy more , and more luxury products.If you truly understanded liberty, you would know this is a major leap for the German People

Heinrich von Gogh ,Leader of the SP and Minister of Social Affairs
 

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Herr Vandenburg and Herr Adimari's amendments to clarify the Constitution are also on the ballot; my apologies for missing them.

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Sir, you are wrong.It would give them greater economical liberty, as with their increased pays they can buy more , and more luxury products.If you truly understanded liberty, you would know this is a major leap for the German People

Heinrich von Gogh ,Leader of the SP and Minister of Social Affairs

I believe it would impede the liberty of the market.

Perhaps you are correct, though. I will have to think on this matter.
 

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(( Interesting. I guess I failed to play up enough how the Meier's are themselves capitalists. Then again, they probably would have been subtle about it. What, you really though those accusations came from nowhere? There's been nothing that people in the 1860s would have thought of as fraud, but the Meier clan did very well by holding that ministry for so long. As did the people they represented in Tirol, who have jobs aplenty. As did most workers throughout the nation. Win, win, right? :D ))
 

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The Ministry of War plans to build 3 level 3 bases annually, until all European bases have been upgraded to that level. Upon completion of the first set of three, the Ministry plans to build 3 ironclads, with more to follow in quantities to be determined at a later date.

Of course, these plans at at the moment are sitting on a shelf at the Ministry, unimplementable, because to date the Minister of Education as not researched the necessary doctrine. I ask that this deficit be remedied as soon as possible.

With respect to the Army, the Ministry has no plans for construction or expansion.

Hals Gutfreund, Minister of War
 

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I fear that the Minister of War will have a nervous breakdown if the Minister of Education doesn't take Germany's outdated navy into account when crafting his plan. How many years has the need for modernized naval bases been ignored now? Now that we have overseas territory, the need for an up-to-date navy is more pressing than ever.

- Wilhelm von Vandenburg
 

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I vote aye for minimum wage. I will stay the course with the budget, unless a noticeable deficit occurs, in which case, spending which can be afforded to cut shall be cut, and then, and only then, will tariffs or increased taxes be considered.

Seeing as how I control the factory subsidies, too, subsidize only the factories that need it.

~ Frederick Carile

((Cut spending before raising taxes, but only cut spending in the areas that aren't necessary, for example, if we are still in war, as I can't remember if we declared war on someone other than Ryazan, then it doesn't make sense to cut the military's budget.))
 

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Indeed, the navy must be modernized if we wish to crush our most potent enemy, Britain. We may also have to compete with Venice over the future liberation of Africa which would require a strong navy.

Would the Supreme Court mind publishing an updated atlas of the New World?

-Herr Liberator