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((What is the course of events now? Will we be having another election immediately, and if so, can I open the UAI leadership vote?))

((Yes, we will have a six month update that includes another election, so you may raise the UAI issue.))

I vote ((this is a vote right)) against the suppresion of the german peoples.
- Adelbert af Ambroose

((Only Conclave votes on domestic matters.))
 

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Thank you for the appointment, Herr Schwaben. I shall follow your recommendation and do my best to liberate the peoples of the world through peaceful means.

-Herr Liberator



I am no imperialist! I am a proud liberal and a disciple of the Doctrine of Liberation.
An Imperialist under fancy names and false promises of liberty.What you strive to archieve will only contradict liberty.

Heinrich von Gogh, now switching over to this new drink, called coffee.
 

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Changes to interim cabinet:

Minister of Interior: Michael von Hohenzollern
Foreign Minister: Franz Meningen

These changes will take place immediately.

~ Konrad von Schwaben, Acting Chancellor of The German Republic

I am glad that at least one Chancellor listens to advice and follows the rule of law. Now we should also be dealing with the apparent loopholes within our Constitution. Perhaps we should place further restrictions on who can claim the Chancellorship and arrange coalitions. I would suggest limiting such powers to the party leaders, unless said leaders explicitly grants another such powers.

- Wilhelm von Vandenburg

((I wasn't sure how to craft these suggested amendments into a bill, but basically I'm thinking we should make party leaders the only ones who can become Chancellor or arrange coalitions unless they allow someone else to do so.))
 

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Regarding a formal proposal of Herr von Vandenburg's suggested constitutional amendment, I propose that the final sentence of Section IV, Paragraph 3 of the constitution be amended to the following:

If no one party controls 50% of the seats, party leaders are free to form coalitions as they see fit.
 

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But you would have your liberty through conquest! How would you liberate the peoples of this world without conquest and war? Those are inevitable!

I do not advocate conquest: I advocate liberation. For example, I was the strongest proponent for the war against the evil Polish to free Tver. Savage nations like Ryazan must be acquired by Germany so that they can be taught the principles of liberty before they can be released again.

-Herr Liberator
 

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If we would not take it upon ourselves to ensure the safety of those who keep the iron molten that pumps through Germany's veins, we should at least ensure they are well compensated for their burned and maimed hands. ((Support minimum wage))
Furthermore, granting blessings to some faction of our citizens while using the police to oppress and imprison another factions would seem to be allowing the corruption recently uncovered in my own party to spread to every corner of our body politic. Let them not imagine that they would be heard only if we were afraid of their masses. ((Oppose suppressing the other movements))
 

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Vote on suppression plan is now mandatory for all Conclave members.

((I'd like to see some feedback on PTSnoop's suggestion as well; we won't vote on it yet, since he missed the deadline, but if somebody has alternate wording, it would be good to get that information out now.))
 

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No suppression of advocacy groups should happen at this time. It would only serve to radicalize peoples that have so far been peaceable regarding their desires.

FM
 

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((Only Conclave votes on domestic matters.))
((My bad))

I do not advocate conquest: I advocate liberation. For example, I was the strongest proponent for the war against the evil Polish to free Tver. Savage nations like Ryazan must be acquired by Germany so that they can be taught the principles of liberty before they can be released again.

-Herr Liberator
You are quite frankly a madman. You are a jingoist, supporting any war against anyone to 'liberate' them. You would I think, support a declaration of war on the peoples of germany to 'liberate them'.
 

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((I've created a new chat group for the UAI; message me if I forgot to invite you. That way, you can handle your party business in private. :)

As a reminder, I should be at least a member of the all the party chat groups if they're on the forums here, purely administratively, so that I can answer questions if you have them and so I can manage the group if somebody leaves the AAR. I know the SP has their own off-forum chat thing.))
 

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((I've created a new chat group for the UAI; message me if I forgot to invite you. That way, you can handle your party business in private. :)

As a reminder, I should be at least a member of the all the party chat groups if they're on the forums here, purely administratively, so that I can answer questions if you have them and so I can manage the group if somebody leaves the AAR. I know the SP has their own off-forum chat thing.))
((Most of us use Coldfront for communication, as that is a direct way of chatting to someone.Sometimes private, other times in #SoA_Main))
 

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I say that we should not supress the pro-reform groups, for it would only radicalise them, we should, however, pass these reforms as quickly as possibile, to return the trust given to us in the last election. Supression is also very unconstitutional and it will be hard to legally justify such harsh and unneeded actions.

Franz von Bavel-Timmermans, Stadtholder of Rotterdam
 

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No on suppression of the free German people

~ Konrad von Schwaben, Acting Chancellor of the Republic of Germans
 

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Regarding a formal proposal of Herr von Vandenburg's suggested constitutional amendment, I propose that the final sentence of Section IV, Paragraph 3 of the constitution be amended to the following:

If no one party controls 50% of the seats, party leaders are free to form coalitions as they see fit.

Thank you, Herr Adimari, for taking my suggestion and putting it into legal jargon, as well as finding the appropriate section that needs to be amended. I think we should also either extend it or add another amendment to the appropriate part of the Constitution that clearly states something along the lines of "Every party leader is assumed to be their party's candidate for the position of Chancellor unless explicitly stated by the party leader or a majority of the party."

- Wilhelm von Vandenburg

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I vote Yes on suppression.
 

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Nay on suppression. It is distasteful for a civilized government to agree to oppress its own people.
~Herr von Spinoza
 

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I remain thoroughly unconvinced by this suggestion that we should arbitrarily appease one group of socialist activists while suppressing the other.

If an activist group's angry demands would be detrimental to the Republic, such as those of our various separatist groups, then political suppression may - in isolated cases - be in the public interest. But to declare that one group of "social reformers" are a shining beacon of political enlightenment, while the other are factious rebels to be crushed under the the boot of the Gendarmerie, without even specifying which group is which, is to set oneself up as a tyrant or a lunatic.

Personally, I believe that our civil service knows little more about how to run hospitals and employ doctors than I do, and that this "socialised healthcare" will be a drain upon the public purse while drawing the nation's doctors into needless administrative overhead. Furthermore, I expect that a legally-enforced minimum wage will only serve to drive up prices, and will thus have no net effect at all upon the lot of the working class (though I am, as I have previously stated, in favour of a short-term experiment on minimum wage on the off chance that I am mistaken on this). But more importantly, I believe that a man should not be forced out of public meetings and interrogated by Gendarmes just because he happens to hold the wrong opinion.

I therefore oppose the political suppression of either activist group.
 

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Nay to the suppression of the other movement. What kind of message would we be sending our people?

~Fredrick Carile, Financial Minister