Something needs to be done about Japan never forming properly

[Vapiritapiri]

While consolidation usually happens at the end of the game there however usually ends up with 2 japanese countries, one puppet and one puppet master, splitting the country usually right in the middle. The puppet master tries to annex but the liberty desire of the puppet is too high so as such nothing ever happens.

 

[currylambchop]

Historical Japan didn't form until 1868, and before that it was divided between several Daimyos, all vassals of the Tokugawa shogunate. I think the situation you described is more historically accurate than it forming.

 

[Zaddy]

I agree Japan is in an odd place, right now it'll usually consolidate between two tags, the shogun and a large, disloyal damiyo, both of which will proceed to sit there in a sort of cold war for the rest of the game. The AI is simply not competent at managing subjects unfortunately. That said, Japan forming is pretty well outside the timeline so I don't think we should be helping Japan specifically so much as generally making the AI more competent with subjects.

 

[Vin55]

Even if Japan is formed they make ainu or some smaller daymio to tributary. I think Japan should not be able to form Tributarys and it should just be a Chinese and Burmese think. (Most players don't play with them, and they are more a nuance.)

 

[iClipse]

If I understood the dev diary about AI correctly, the AI will now always desire same culture provinces, so Japan should form a lot more often.

If they then actually do something, that's another thing. I've seen Japan form a ton of times, to then do...nothing for the next 250 years.

 

[YellowPress]

Even if Japan is formed they make ainu or some smaller daymio to tributary. I think Japan should not be able to form Tributarys and it should just be a Chinese and Burmese think. (Most players don't play with them, and they are more a nuance.)

Why not? It took them awhile to make ainu a settled part of japan. Tributaries got added to everyone in chinese tech group with leviathan, hordes already benefit from manpower buffs

 

[IndigoRage]

Why not? It took them awhile to make ainu a settled part of japan. Tributaries got added to everyone in chinese tech group with leviathan, hordes already benefit from manpower buffs

tbh I think people just don't know the actual time scales involved or what specifically happened. Like people getting annoyed when territory in the Americas or Pacific that weren't colonized until the late 1800s-early 1900s become harder to colonize.

 

[Vin55]

Well shure but this game is more of a sandbox and I am prett shure that when Japan whent for it, the people there got pretty much subjects. Also Japan in the 16houndreds was unified, the thing is Japan should get a techdebuff first, with how things whent. But you can hardly show that in a game.