Some Newbie Questions

[iamdanthemansta]

I per-ordered and have been playing the CK2 demo and I've run into a few issues I can't quite figure out. I'd love any advice or explanation you have. Thanks in advance.

1) When a vassal rebels and you win and throw him in the dungeon noticed that you can revoke one title without any penalty. But is it only one title? If he has three titles can I only revoke one then pay the normal penalty for revoking the others? So if I imprison a guy with like 8 titles my only option is to have him banished to get take back all the titles? Also do banished characters ever come back?

2) I got a note saying "Wrong type of holding in Denesne" but unlike usually when that was for holding a barony this one was for holding a county where the primary building was religious. Is there no way around this, only a bishop can hold this county, or can I change the county somehow? Also what's the penalty for holding something of the wrong type? Is there ever a reason to hold a barony or something religious?

3) I noticed a lot of places start with Gavelkind as the default way of dealing with inheritance. Does it just automatically divvy up my stuff or I if I give one of my kids some titles will it let my heir inherit the rest?

4) How are crusades called, can I influence this? Also can I march my army across other people territory or will they object to this? Finally can I hire ships in a foreign land if I start far from the sea?

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5) Is it always best to make your realm a lot of weak dukes and counts with only one territory so that they never become to threatening to you, or is there some downside to this strategy?

 

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2- As you can not play a baron, I guess it is a warning to remind you need to deleguate that charge to the AI.

 

[iamdanthemansta]

2- As you can not play a baron, I guess it is a warning to remind you need to deleguate that charge to the AI.

Yes but one what happens if you hold a barony do you not get income from it or something, and two what happened here was that it was listing the whole county as wrong since the church was the primary building?

 

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You cant hold a barony, only have a baron as a vassal.

The payment is likely to be affected by the law you have set in terms of vassal taxations.

If the primary building is a church, and if that type of building can only be hold by a baron (that is not you) I suppose you can not hold that county until you have built a castle on it which should be sent as the primary building, allowing you to title yourself as count of that county.

To be checked.

 

[DarkieBabZ]

I per-ordered and have been playing the CK2 demo and I've run into a few issues I can't quite figure out. I'd love any advice or explanation you have. Thanks in advance.

1) When a vassal rebels and you win and throw him in the dungeon noticed that you can revoke one title without any penalty. But is it only one title? If he has three titles can I only revoke one then pay the normal penalty for revoking the others? So if I imprison a guy with like 8 titles my only option is to have him banished to get take back all the titles? Also do banished characters ever come back?

2) I got a note saying "Wrong type of holding in Denesne" but unlike usually when that was for holding a barony this one was for holding a county where the primary building was religious. Is there no way around this, only a bishop can hold this county, or can I change the county somehow? Also what's the penalty for holding something of the wrong type? Is there ever a reason to hold a barony or something religious?

3) I noticed a lot of places start with Gavelkind as the default way of dealing with inheritance. Does it just automatically divvy up my stuff or I if I give one of my kids some titles will it let my heir inherit the rest?

4) How are crusades called, can I influence this? Also can I march my army across other people territory or will they object to this? Finally can I hire ships in a foreign land if I start far from the sea?

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5) Is it always best to make your realm a lot of weak dukes and counts with only one territory so that they never become to threatening to you, or is there some downside to this strategy?

1. in my expierence you can only grab one title without punishment, if he has IE 3, he would still keep the 2 others, but if he is in prison he wont be any trouble for you ^^ (so yes other vassals wont be happy if you revoke more than 1 title)
2. You need to give it away to a bishop to gain full income (but you can hold onto it with penalties).
3. It will split up your titles between your heirs (kids) the firstborn gets the main title.
4. I don't have enough expierence with ck2 to actually answer this fully, but the general stuff can be read in the dev dairy.
5. well, it really depends on what you want, its much more easy to control and make a few vassals happy, but if they are strong they might pose a bigger threat to you overall. If you have alot of small vassals, its harder to keep them all happy, but 1 revolting should not pose much of a treat..

 

[Malkara]

You cant hold a barony, only have a baron as a vassal.

The payment is likely to be affected by the law you have set in terms of vassal taxations.

If the primary building is a church, and if that type of building can only be hold by a baron (that is not you) I suppose you can not hold that county until you have built a castle on it which should be sent as the primary building, allowing you to title yourself as count of that county.

To be checked.

You can only personally hold castles. You can't personally hold cities or bishoprics, so if the primary city of a province is a bishopric or city, you need to pass it to someone else.

 

[DarkieBabZ]

I per-ordered and have been playing the CK2 demo and I've run into a few issues I can't quite figure out. I'd love any advice or explanation you have. Thanks in advance.

1) When a vassal rebels and you win and throw him in the dungeon noticed that you can revoke one title without any penalty. But is it only one title? If he has three titles can I only revoke one then pay the normal penalty for revoking the others? So if I imprison a guy with like 8 titles my only option is to have him banished to get take back all the titles? Also do banished characters ever come back?

2) I got a note saying "Wrong type of holding in Denesne" but unlike usually when that was for holding a barony this one was for holding a county where the primary building was religious. Is there no way around this, only a bishop can hold this county, or can I change the county somehow? Also what's the penalty for holding something of the wrong type? Is there ever a reason to hold a barony or something religious?

3) I noticed a lot of places start with Gavelkind as the default way of dealing with inheritance. Does it just automatically divvy up my stuff or I if I give one of my kids some titles will it let my heir inherit the rest?

4) How are crusades called, can I influence this? Also can I march my army across other people territory or will they object to this? Finally can I hire ships in a foreign land if I start far from the sea?

edit:

5) Is it always best to make your realm a lot of weak dukes and counts with only one territory so that they never become to threatening to you, or is there some downside to this strategy?

1. in my expierence you can only grab one title without punishment, if he has IE 3, he would still keep the 2 others, but if he is in prison he wont be any trouble for you ^^ (so yes other vassals wont be happy if you revoke more than 1 title)
2. You need to give it away to a bishop/baron to gain full income (but you can hold onto it with penalties). so basically you need to think about if its worth "with the penalties" to hold it or if its better to give it away.
3. It will split up your titles between your heirs (kids) the firstborn gets the main title.
4. I don't have enough expierence with ck2 to actually answer this fully, but the general stuff can be read in the dev dairy.
5. well, it really depends on what you want, its much more easy to control and make a few vassals happy, but if they are strong they might pose a bigger threat to you overall. If you have alot of small vassals, its harder to keep them all happy, but 1 revolting should not pose much of a treat..

 

[iamdanthemansta]

You can only personally hold castles. You can't personally hold cities or bishoprics, so if the primary city of a province is a bishopric or city, you need to pass it to someone else.

What happens if you don't pass it on or if you hold a barony?

 

[DarkieBabZ]

What happens if you don't pass it on or if you hold a barony?

You get a penalty to income etc. in the demo its 25% and I have heard (not certain) that its 50% in the final version, to keep people from abusing having a city. (atm its very profitable to hold a large city, even with the panelty)

 

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You cant hold a barony yourself, at least apparently not without penalties.

So you need to name a mayor and a bishop to gain full advantages.

 

[iamdanthemansta]

Thanks for all the answers, also I still don't quite undersand Gavelkind. If say I have a king title, 2 duke titles and 8 counties, 4 per dutchy. I have two kids. The game decides that the younger kid gets one duke title and two counties. The heir gets the kingdom, the other dutchy and 6 counties. But if I conquer a couple more counties and another dukedom and give them to the younger kid does he still get the other stuff or can I pass on all the rest to my heir?

 

[0Emmanuel]

Also I still don't quite undersand Gavelkind. If say I have a king title, 2 duke titles and 8 counties, 4 per dutchy. I have two kids. The game decides that the younger kid gets one duke title and two counties. The heir gets the kingdom, the other dutchy and 6 counties. But if I conquer a couple more counties and another dukedom and give them to the younger kid does he still get the other stuff or can I pass on all the rest to my heir?

I'm pretty sure that titles already held by an heir are not taken into account. No matter how much land your heirs hold, your titles will be distributed (more or less) equally between them at your death.

 

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I think the status is heir to a title.

As long as the original title holder is alive, the heir remains a heir.

So maybe, if you pass down the title to the elder, the younger remains the heir to the title when the elder has the title as soon as you have given it to him. This until the elder has children himself who should inherit the titles.

 

[iamdanthemansta]

I'm pretty sure that titles already held by an heir are not taken into account. No matter how much land your heirs hold, your titles will be distributed (more or less) equally between them at your death.

OK thanks. Could I also just transfer all my important titles to my heir while I was still king so there wasn't much besides the king title to inherit? And what would happen if your heir rebels against you, would you still get to play as him after your king dies?

 

[0Emmanuel]

You can definitely rig the succession by giving your primary heir as many titles as you want beforehand.
And as long as your succession law doesn't change, it doesn't matter whether your heir is your vassal or independent or your liege. You'll still continue as him after your current character dies.

 

[Torden]

Dudes, what's all this about "You can not hold a barony/city/temple"
Total BS.

You get a 25% (in beta) income reduction from those demesnes.
and that is a major boost because you usualy only get 10-30ish% tax when they are controlled by your vassals.

So if you only have few counties (1-3), you actually benefit from controlling them yourself [Considering your Demesne limit allows it, and if it's not too hard getting it (you have to revoke the land from its previous owner if you don't controll it yourself)]

4. Noone cares, atleast not in beta, (if you have mercenaries you can even place them in the county you're about to attack before you go to war GG :excl: )

Edit: no reduction from holding a barony.

 

[Julyan]

Dudes, what's all this about "You can not hold a barony/city/temple"
Total BS.

You get a 25% (in beta) income reduction from those demesnes.
and that is a major boost because you usualy only get 10-30ish% tax when they are controlled by your vassals.

So if you only have few counties (1-3), you actually benefit from controlling them yourself [Considering your Demesne limit allows it, and if it's not too hard getting it (you have to revoke the land from its previous owner if you don't controll it yourself)]

You might see some extra money but in reality you're losing a lot more. Mayors may give you only 10% of their income but they use rest of the 90% to improve the city meaning 100% of the income is used. Keep the city yourself and you'll get 75% of the income but 25% of it is going to waste.
If you can use the extra personal money to make more money to make up for the lost 25% then it's beneficial but on the long term it's probably more beneficial to give the city to a mayor.

 

[Torden]

You might see some extra money but in reality you're losing a lot more. Mayors may give you only 10% of their income but they use rest of the 90% to improve the city meaning 100% of the income is used. Keep the city yourself and you'll get 75% of the income but 25% of it is going to waste.
If you can use the extra personal money to make more money to make up for the lost 25% then it's beneficial but on the long term it's probably more beneficial to give the city to a mayor.

Thinking of the 20 years you have in the beta, it does not matter ^^,

I usualy (when in controll of a city) upgrade town/harbour/walls(to build better towns/harbours) at the start.
That way I get more money than i would from having a mayor that thinks that +0.40 fort lvl is great to have.

But yeah, If you keep it for yourself for a long time, the math supports your answer ^^

Edit: not thinking of the 20year limit in the non-edited beta, 25% reduction at the start would have been imba, And I think I remember a post describing some Paradox employee ruining my great game plan by getting this nerfed