Socialist United Kingdom - how you do that?

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Guys I have a problem with UK. And it doesnt matter if I running vanilla Ricky or with VIP. It is always the same. [note: Im not interested with Communist state, just Democratic goverment based on socialism]

At some stage in the game - starting generally ~1880-85 -> - like 40% to 85% ~1905 [no cheating!] of my population turning Socialist. Just great! Fantastic! POPs and I, we love socialism. Finally I will build factories I want, enough of selling Glass to every galaxy around!

...I afraid not. You see even if - in acts of desperation - I cheat with events: anti-military, secularized, socialist demagogue, all humans are the same; I cant elect Labour Party (or earlier Socialist League before LP is activated). All primary & secondary issues are split between Full Citizenship/Anti-Military/Secularized or Atheism. Overwhelming majority of my population is Socialist yet every single time Conservative Party is elected.

I guessing that is has something to do with Two-Party system, but second party is ALWAYS Liberal. SL/LP with 10-15% of support is 3rd - ALWAYS. It drive me mad every time I play UK. Usually I do small cheat [event 23116] and turning UK into Democracy Multi-Party system (cool flag BTW ), but still Socialists are beaten every single time by Conservatives (ratio on the graph is like S75% to C20% + 5% rest; population size in current game ~500mil souls). Hands down, guys and gals. I lost plot completly. Help.

[All freedoms ON, all Social reforms ON @ maximum - Good/8h/Good/Good/Good]

 

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Universal suff is on??

 

[C.V. Mannerheim]

Universal suff is on??

translation: 'is universals suffrage on' ?

if not, that should fix your problem

 

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Guys, all freedoms ON = Suffrage is turned ON. Here is one picture from 3 different saves - in order 26.08.1901, 20.07.1916, 14.06.1918. Unfortunately I couldnt find save with Socialist over 70%, but everything proving my case. *Last 2, hooray finally in 1918 I elected Labour Party.* Probably because Communists appeared... but still Soc+Com - 60% of votes, Cons - 26%, yet probability to elect a party is 42.75% to 34.54%. :wacko:

No cheating. [If I cheat I always quit without saving ]

 

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Ugh. Take off that Minimum Work Hours reform at once, it obliterates your resource output (and thus income).

A good way to get your people to become very Socialist is:

- Raise poor taxes to 100% roughly 10-15 days before elections are over.
- Perform every social reform (best status) but minimum working hours, and fund it as poorly as your government will allow you (if your ruling party happens to be Laissez Faire, just do not leave it at zero).
- When choosing between "Populism" and "Establishment" (after researching State & Government), go for "Establishment" so you can have a much better control of who gets to be elected.

 

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Ugh. Take off that Minimum Work Hours reform at once, it obliterates your resource output (and thus income).

A good way to get your people to become very Socialist is:

- Raise poor taxes to 100% roughly 10-15 days before elections are over.
- Perform every social reform (best status) but minimum working hours, and fund it as poorly as your government will allow you (if your ruling party happens to be Laissez Faire, just do not leave it at zero).
- When choosing between "Populism" and "Establishment" (after researching State & Government), go for "Establishment" so you can have a much better control of who gets to be elected.

I dont care about my resource output. My income is still like 2000k/day. Im 1st in everything. Population ~900mil souls

I raised this issue earlier in different thread. Game is seriously broken in social reforms departament. It doesnt make sense that reducing - funding of - social reforms turning population socialist. It should work exactly the opposite way. To repeat myself from few weeks/month ago: only socialist/communist countries pumping/ed endless ammount of money into social reforms. Socialist gov spend money on people, cuting working hours, Conservatives/Liberals steal money from people, extending working hours. I have first hand experience with real socialism so I know what I saying.

I think it could be it: Establishment-Populism. Sometimes when hunderds of msgs pop up I just hit Enter or left click until I clear the screen without looking. Perhaps I selected Populism by mistake (I never select Populism under normal circumstances ), but still separate issues are split in 4 between Full Citizenship/Anti-Military/Secularized/Atheism. There is no other primary or secondary issue on the graph. Stange...

 

[JoeGiavani]

Is the Labour Party a "minor party" in game? If so, that would explain why they won't get elected.

 

[SeedSnatcher]

It doesnt make sense that reducing - funding of - social reforms turning population socialist.

Well, if the government guarantees social reforms, but in reality doesn't bother with them, then the people would want a government they know will fund all promised social reforms.

Is the Labour Party a "minor party" in game? If so, that would explain why they won't get elected.

That is exactly the case here. I suggest simply letting socialist rebels take over your capital.

 

[Friedericus Rex]

Minority policy is also a factor, only under full citizenship are all pops allowed to vote, under residence only national pops in states, which may add to your dilemma. I don't know what exactly happens under limited citizenship, but it might be something like national pops in colonies can also vote. At any rate, unless you're full citizenship, the majority of those 900mil souls will not be allowed to cast a vote.

But that's just a side issue, you're main problem is likely the major/minor party problem. The only advice I can offer is maximizing all taxes and monitoring the effects in the party screen to see if it's enough. If it is, you have a way to get the socs in power.

 

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Minority policy is also a factor, only under full citizenship are all pops allowed to vote, under residence only national pops in states, which may add to your dilemma. I don't know what exactly happens under limited citizenship, but it might be something like national pops in colonies can also vote. At any rate, unless you're full citizenship, the majority of those 900mil souls will not be allowed to cast a vote.

This is actually very true, and it could be the reason the Labor Party is not being elected... Most of UK's population is concentrated in the colonies (particularly India).

How does the ideology of those living in the British Isles look like?

 

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Why in gods good name would you want to punish your people with yet another oppressive regime such as that of the Labour party?

 

[Searry]

Uh, well, you could just set the ruling party to socialist. 1mil doesn't do anything.