So- what's Syndicalism all about?

[Strategos' Risk]

Kaiserreich depicts a different international situation, but also a different ideological situation as well. Instead of communism being the revolutionary threat of the world, Syndicalism is as well. However, is it the same as the Syndicalism of OTL? Who are the persons of note who founded this ideology? Which nations were the first to fall to it?

Also, what other ideologies are there?

 

[OnFire]

Syndicalism is pretty much the same as communism. Workers liberation, participation of the proletariat, internationalism and so on. It is not about Soviets/Counsels who are in control, but rather trade unions that are now running the industry. These trade union councils form Syndicates. Syndicalism puts a strong emphasis on being anti-hierarchic (?) and egalitarian.
IIRC the first nations that fell to it were France and Britain, then Georgia, Centroamerica and Bengal. Many other countries are threatened by this ideology, like USA, Brazil and Bolivia.

I think you cannot tell if it is the same Syndicalism as in our time. Like in OTL with communism. Yes, Cuba is communist, but still has another political system as communist North Korea, for example.

For the other ideologies : pretty much the same as in 1914 OTL. The Emperors are still in charge, and democracy is weakened but still alive. Fascism was never "invented", instead of that the Syndies are the "bad boys".

 

[SouthCarolinian]

Wouldn't National Populism be a sort of psuedo-fascism? I mean it seems that the focus of the National Populists is either expansion or defense of the nation with a strong focus on nationalism and militarism.

 

[Vaximillian]

Wouldn't National Populism be a sort of psuedo-fascism?

I'm pretty sure it is already. National Populism in KR is the renamed National Socialism of vanilla.

 

[secretalex125]

'cause it would mean nearly the same thing.

 

[Strategos' Risk]

So National Populism isn't some new ideology, but rather what people call fascism in this timeline?

 

[Vaximillian]

Yep.

 

[Davisx3m]

http://editthis.info/kaiserreich/Syndicalism

It's in the Kaiserpedia. But the article needs to grow bigger IMO.

 

[SouthCarolinian]

So National Populism isn't some new ideology, but rather what people call fascism in this timeline?

That's what I thought.

 

[Asalto]

For the other ideologies : pretty much the same as in 1914 OTL. The Emperors are still in charge, and democracy is weakened but still alive. Fascism was never "invented", instead of that the Syndies are the "bad boys".

I don't think that Syndies are meant as ''bad boys'', in fact it's very hard to say who really is the bad boy in Kaiserreich scenario. Germany is not some demonic Evil, it's just victor from WW1 that tries to protect it's imperial possessions. Entente is too weak to be real good guy that saves the day and must rely on occassional big partners, and Syndies are more like what Socialism should be if hardliners wouldn't take over.

About Syndicalism, I think it's something like Popular Front IOTL, some kind of coalition of Left-Wing groups. In fact, Syndicalist nations are kind of democracies at the start, with trade unions(labour unions, syndicates) being substitute for political parties. Each political faction(hardline etatists, moderate socialists, anarchists...) enforces it's policy via it's syndicate that is represented in congress of trade unions.

Maybe real bad guy could be Fritz Kuhn or Baron Sternberg.

 

[JRHINDO]

Wouldn't National Populism be a sort of psuedo-fascism? I mean it seems that the focus of the National Populists is either expansion or defense of the nation with a strong focus on nationalism and militarism.

Jingoism would fit better the millitarist, warlike, idea behind that vague name.

 

[^_AC_^]

Syndicalist is power exercised by a nation-wide corporationist structure, with representation through the officially recognised syndicates. ‘Radical Socialist’ is like syndicalist, but with more democratic structures and safeguards in place.

– Authoritarian Democrat (HOI2 Vanilla Paternal Autocrat)
– Paternal Autocrat (HOI2 Vanilla Fascist)
– National Populist (HOI2 Vanilla National Socialist)

The ‘Authoritarian Democrat’ one is really essential, as the constitutional structure of the German Empire (eg. strong Royal power appointing Chancellor, most policy dictated by interest groups, but full participatory representative government and very large social welfare programme), would be about half way between Social Conservative and Paternal Autocrat in HOI2 terms. As this is going to be the ‘standard’ political setup in most of the territories under German domination, it really needs its own category!

‘Paternal Autocrat’ therefore means Royal or executive power without any representative structure (eg. like Tsarist Russia, or Austria when the Diets were suspended), and ‘National Populist’ would be any extremist nationalist government with a mass organisation (so, would included things like Fascism, Nazism, Carlism, Iron Guardism, etc…).

Moreover Authoritarian Democrat could also fit the situation of Canada.

 

[Strategos' Risk]

As much of a mishmash as "fascism" is in our world (it's really more like half a dozen of different strains of revolutionary authoritarianism, bur popular perception focuses on Hitlerism). I get the feeling that National Populism is unlike fascism in that it really isn't a specific thought-out ideology.

 

[^_AC_^]

National Populism is not a perfect definition, in fact we are having troubles defining what a National Populist government (like Mongolia, extreme-right Japan, Russia and AUS) really is.

We had a debate in our forum to find a better name and a better definition to suit all the main governments that can be extreme right authoritarian, but we couldn't find an agreement.

Feel free to offer your ideas!

 

[JRHINDO]

National Populism is not a perfect definition, in fact we are having troubles defining what a National Populist government (like Mongolia, extreme-right Japan, Russia and AUS) really is.

We had a debate in our forum to find a better name and a better definition to suit all the main governments that can be extreme right authoritarian, but we couldn't find an agreement.

Feel free to offer your ideas!

Jingo!

 

[Järnblomma]

National Populism is not a perfect definition, in fact we are having troubles defining what a National Populist government (like Mongolia, extreme-right Japan, Russia and AUS) really is.

We had a debate in our forum to find a better name and a better definition to suit all the main governments that can be extreme right authoritarian, but we couldn't find an agreement.

Feel free to offer your ideas!

Authorative Jingoism?

 

[Asalto]

Jingo!

What about if National Populist regime leads very isolationist policy? Mongolia can chose not to go on rampage, and especially American Union State can decide to rather settle issues at home than messing with things abroad. I think that National Populism is quite good definition.

 

[JRHINDO]

What about if National Populist regime leads very isolationist policy? Mongolia can chose not to go on rampage, and especially American Union State can decide to rather settle issues at home than messing with things abroad. I think that National Populism is quite good definition.

Bbut you can still be jingo in your own backyard.

 

[Lazzars]

Bbut you can still be jingo in your own backyard.

jingoism by definition is expansionist or at the very least they would have a highly interventionist ploicy

 

[JRHINDO]

The south american dictatorships could be seen as jingos, agressive nationalism, yet there werent any pan continental wars.

Totalist maybe could be used, totalism to fit in any style of rule.
Statist, Hitlerian, Uber Imperial...