So, what tags are never going to appear in 1444-1821?

[Me_]

I do wonder if they could just turn AI off for dead tags and turn it on once a tag gains lands.

If it were that simple, they would have done it back in EU3, when it was already a problem.

 

[Clownie]

If it were that simple, they would have done it back in EU3, when it was already a problem.

It probably is pretty simple, but Paradox has some damn lazy coders. I mean, they can't even be bothered to keep tooltips updated (and some of them weren't even up-to-date in 1.0), and that's literally just rewriting lines.

 

[ringhloth]

Because Mikawa was never ruled by the Oda directly?

I meant Owari. Though it seems somewhat silly now that I think about it more, since you have Owari ruling much more than Owari.

I do wonder if they could just turn AI off for dead tags and turn it on once a tag gains lands.

I think the game does.

 

[the cool guy]

I am not entirely sure of your point, but adding ahistorical Sapmi seems pointless to me.

Re. optimization - cutting supply and demand, terrain% and whatever else was deleted is not optimization. Even recalculating trade (or performing other actions) only once per month is hardly "optimization".
Optimization is not synonym with "cutting out", it is about doing sth. better. If they made it so that dead AI do not perform any actions then number of dead AIs would not matter.

Obviously I have no idea what kind of data structure they use and what operations are performed, but also obviously in many places it is kind of list or array (from their comments on how things work - on many issues, when all other conditions are met, the "first country" is selected).

If it is a List then pruning it into two is trivial, if it is Array they should skip dead entries, and although length of loop will be still big, they wont do anything for most of. I am aware that saying it is much easier than doing, but if they wanted they could do it (and thinking about future DLCs and EU5 they will have to do it at some point anyway).

Lag for adding dead tags is confirmed, modders hate it a lot.

 

[ringhloth]

Lag for adding dead tags is confirmed, modders hate it a lot.

I thought this wasn't true just for tags that aren't active, that is, without cores.

 

[marineFC]

Regarding all the unused tags in Indonesia, I made a thread about the problem (and proposed solutions) not too long ago.

 

[Krajzen]

Zunghar:

Oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god.

I've never seen this nation before, does it even have a core in 1444?

 

[Pellucid]

Back before the rebel overhaul, I had seen Etrurian Nationalists, but that was a LONG time ago and after the rebel rework they can no longer spawn.

 

[marineFC]

So I'll give an explanation of how Zunghar can appear, even with zero cores in 1444.

Basically, the requirement is that there is an Oirat cultured province owned by someone who is not of primary Oirat culture, and for that province to NOT have an Oirat Horde core. Now, because for some bizarre reason Zunghar and not the Oirat Horde, is the primary tag for Oirat Culture, therefore an Oirat province that lacks cores of an Oirat culture will defect to Zunghar by default because it is the primary nation of that culture.

(Added in that particular core by console command, but the province it owns is natural AI work)

So in my case, Ming went and conquered province 2123 (Qakilik) from Chagatai (no Oirat core) and so when the usual Mingsposion took place, that province went to Zunghar.

The only problem with this system is that the nation won't spawn exactly where it's meant to be, it's natural capital is Kobdo, not Qakilik.

 

[FleetingRain]

So I'll give an explanation of how Zunghar can appear, even with zero cores in 1444.

Basically, the requirement is that there is an Oirat cultured province owned by someone who is not of primary Oirat culture, and for that province to NOT have an Oirat Horde core

But why is that? Is it because Oirat is still alive in that picture, or because of some obscure mechanic?

 

[Lamahorse]

Surely Paradox will at some point optimise this more tags = more lag issue. It would be excellent if everywhere could be legitimately Balkanised.

 

[marineFC]

But why is that? Is it because Oirat is still alive in that picture, or because of some obscure mechanic?

So if the Oirat-cultured province has a core of the Oirat Horde (and no other Oirat cultured tags), it will choose the Oirat Horde above any other Oirat cultured nation. This can be observed in many places on the map in all time periods. If for arguments sake, you take Berlin (with a Brandenburger core obviously), the province will want to defect to Brandenburg.

So when choosing which correctly-cultured nation to defect too, observation tells us that the nation that has a core on the specific province gets priority.

EDIT: Example with screenshots

So whilst Gondwana is the primary nation of that culture, Bastar is the one with the core on the province, therefore it gets the rebels.