So, what tags are never going to appear in 1444-1821?

[Florryworry]

I imagine Malta can show up from time to time, as it's the only tag with Maltese as primary culture, so any revolters would defect to them once Sicily loses its core on the island.

Confirmed, malta spawned in my dutchcovy game

 

[Christopholes]

Meissen, a Saxon state I've never seen but saw in the country list once. Malta can appear through nationalists. Darfur is weird in that it gains a core when Funj shows up and exists in some historical starts. There is also at least one Somali state that has no cores but I've seen separatists demanding independence for it.

 

[Grand Historian]

A lot of the Japanese Daimyo: Tokugawa, Mori, Ikeda, Chosokabe, Oda, Asakura, Maeda and Hojo.

Unused daimyos (beyond their start date) are: Amago, Asakura, Hojo, Maeda, Tokugawa, Chosokabe, Ikeda, Mori and Oda.

Last time I checked, I believe the Amago start off with a core on Izumo (I could be wrong, though).

But, that's beside the point. About half the Daimyo never appear ingame and are only used as placeholders in the history files. This could be partly resolved if all of the Daimyo were given cores starting out, but the issue would still remain that they couldn't be released until Japan is unified (which makes less sense than the other way around).

I think four Laotian splinters should be spawned by special disaster for Lan Xang, Deccan-Annam-Banten-Cirebon-Demak-Perak-Khoshuud-Zunghar should get cores or events at 1444 bookmark, while Etruria and Langang should be simply deleted from the game because there is no way or need to represent them (this has already happened to few tags, such as Lancaster/York - they were simply deleted).

York and Lancaster weren't 'deleted' - they were simply reused for Florence and Malta (I think, I know they were recycled). That said, I was actually a bit sad they were 'removed', since I would have preferred them getting added in as actual cores so you could have more breakaway nations for England.

 

[ThePatriotOfDreumel]

Tokugawa and Oda not existing at 1444 is really a shame. These 2 daimyos united Japan and deserve to exist and to get unique national ideas.

 

[Grand Historian]

Tokugawa and Oda not existing at 1444 is really a shame. These 2 daimyos united Japan and deserve to exist and to get unique national ideas.

Well, if the Oda and Tokugawa are going to get national ideas, then that would also warrant many of the other major Daimyo getting NI's as well. Which would be pretty cool, as you could go with the traditional Japan ideas, or further pursue your own clan's specialty.

 

[FleetingRain]

I'd rather all unused daimyo tags dissapeared from the game because they're literally carbon copies of each other.

Either break Japanese culture in smaller ones, give special events/NIs to most daimyos, or just let them go.

 

[Sunspawn]

I'd rather all unused daimyo tags dissapeared from the game because they're literally carbon copies of each other.

Either break Japanese culture in smaller ones, give special events/NIs to most daimyos, or just let them go.

Can't remove them until the later bookmarks go. Which means the tags stay in EU4.

 

[FleetingRain]

Can't remove them until the later bookmarks go. Which means the tags stay in EU4.

Which is a shame, unfortunately.

 

[firecage]

Well, what about Sampi? They aren't available at any bookmark, and can only be created via rebellion. They don't even start with any cores.

 

[ThePatriotOfDreumel]

Well, what about Sampi? They aren't available at any bookmark, and can only be created via rebellion. They don't even start with any cores.

Every culture will get a primary nation. Sapmi is the primary nation of the Sami culture.

 

[Sunspawn]

Which is a shame, unfortunately.

Yup.

 

[Grand Historian]

I'd rather all unused daimyo tags dissapeared from the game because they're literally carbon copies of each other.

Either break Japanese culture in smaller ones, give special events/NIs to most daimyos, or just let them go.

Hence my idea (that the devs have also take a look at).

 

[Lamahorse]

Is there a limit to the number of tags in the game?

Is there a specific reason for removing tags and replacing them with others?

I hope it's not only me that enjoys the concept of totally Balkanising every region.

 

[ThePatriotOfDreumel]

Is there a limit to the number of tags in the game?

Is there a specific reason for removing tags and replacing them with others?

I hope it's not only me that enjoys the concept of totally Balkanising every region.

It slows down the game a lot. Most tags still operate their AI when having no provinces.

 

[AlbTroll]

As a kind of side note I had an actual AI Hanover spotting the other day... It was promptly destroyed in a Coalition War.

 

[Will Steel]

Deccan Nizamate (real name Dakshina Nizamashahi)...or what the Britons called "Princely State of Hyderabad".

 

[PsysmicSound]

Keeping an eye on this discussion.



Of these only Revolutionary France is an unused tag.
Travancore was renamed to Venad before the initial release of EU4. Venad is a bit more general and works for a longer time period which is why it was renamed.
Deva Bengal, Taira, Fujiwara and Tachibana have never existed as tags in EU4 (though they did exist in EU3).

For a complete list of tags in the game see common/country_tags/00_countries.txt

My mistake, I was basing it off the localisation files, which I've been playing around with recently. So, the tags aren't there, but there is still localisation for them floating around, if you'd be interested in pruning it.

 

[PsysmicSound]

Last I checked, the non-starting daimyo have events which give them cores some time before their historical appearance? Is this no longer true? Is the wiki... dare I say it... wrong?

 

[Dutchman251]

At least they can revolt in rare cases

 

[JKiller96]

Zuungar should be a reformed oirat or chagatai formable I say!