The Ruler of Branganza is Count Fernao of Branganza. His House of Braganca is a Cadet Branch of the Breton line, and his grandfather Alan III of Brittany died at the age of 8. Ten years prior to his son, Fernao's father, being born.
So, what is up with Braganza 1066?
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His father is this guy:
en.wikipedia.org
The Portuguese article gives more detailed information:
pt.wikipedia.org
Basically, there's some disagreement about whether this Alan figure was briefly a child Count of Brittany before being killed, or whether he was born earlier and fled to Galicia where he fathered Mendo. It seems that the people who filled in the Brittany history and the people who filled in the Portugal history disagreed on which interpretation to take.
Mendo Alão - Wikipedia
The Portuguese article gives more detailed information:
Mendo Alão – Wikipédia, a enciclopédia livre
Basically, there's some disagreement about whether this Alan figure was briefly a child Count of Brittany before being killed, or whether he was born earlier and fled to Galicia where he fathered Mendo. It seems that the people who filled in the Brittany history and the people who filled in the Portugal history disagreed on which interpretation to take.
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This issue is infuriating to me, irrationally so even.His father is this guy:
Mendo Alão - Wikipedia
The Portuguese article gives more detailed information:
Mendo Alão – Wikipédia, a enciclopédia livre
Basically, there's some disagreement about whether this Alan figure was briefly a child Count of Brittany before being killed, or whether he was born earlier and fled to Galicia where he fathered Mendo. It seems that the people who filled in the Brittany history and the people who filled in the Portugal history disagreed on which interpretation to take.
We have a man Mendo whose patronymic is Alao. We do not know anything of this father. We do not know that the name means Alan/Alain but that it sounds similar. Let's be generous and assume that Alao equals Alan/Alain. The name is most commonly found in Brittany, which is fair enough, the region was ravaged by Vikings in the 9th and first half of the 10th centuries so it's not illogical to assume that some movement happened. But why would anyone assume he is of "royal" stock based on the name alone? There are no onomastic tendencies in the family after Mendo, no Galician spellings that suggest Breton origin or other weird names etc. The Bretons were very diligent with this, it's so strange. Even if we were to assume there was some basis for this claim to royal Breton origin, there's no chronologically fitting ancestor that would explain the name. Alan II is too old and Alan III is too young. It's completely fabricated.
I think we should stop using baseless claims from the 18th century in our historiography. It has red flags written all over it and I don't think PDX should use it as a source for their game. Especially since they've made Devdiaries explaining how much work they put into actual historical research.
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Yeah, the Portuguese Wikipedia description sounded very suspicious to me as I was reading it. I figured it might just be Google Translate having a little trouble, but I'm not really convinced.