Could we all please return to the pointless arguing about China, please?
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So, what is the point of disabling Hellenic and Pagan in Ruler Designer?
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Pardon, but that's pretty whacky.
Helenic_pagan religion was no feature as part of the DLC nor sold/,marketed as part of the patch.
It was in the patch for the history, as some people simply had fun searching the dynasty trees.
It still in game and all you have to do is open 00_religions.txt (in common/religions), , search for hellenic_pagan and delete the line "allow_in_ruler_designer = no" at the end of it.
You could even do this in the original files, as it won't matter if Steam autoupdates/reverts the changes afterwards (assuming you already started your game by then).*
Of course i won't deny the possibility of a DLC with that religion as a feature coming. But again, it wasn't an offical feature yet. That it was available in the Ruler Designer was a gesture, not a feature.
PS: Of course you could also simply start a game, save, open the save file and change the culture
and religion of that person.
Tldr:
It wasn't an official feature, it's still in the files and you need close to no modding skills to use it again.
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It was part of the Ruler Designer DLC. You could play as one. It even said so on the Wiki owned by Paradox Interactive that you can play as a Hellenic Pagan with Ruler Designer.
"The Hellenic and (generic) Pagan religions appear for characters in the history files, representing (for Hellenism) the pre-Christian Roman emperors and (for Paganism) pre-Christian Irish and pre-Islamic Arabs, among others. They cannot normally appear in game (Except one Arabian woman in 867), but a character with these religions can be made in the Ruler Designer."
http://www.ckiiwiki.com/Religion Under "Notes"
So they acknowledged it was part of the DLC. Part of it that's been there since The Old Gods.
And I don't care if I can edit files, I shouldn't have to do something like editing files to fix what Paradox is doing. Taking away part of a DLC that they acknowledged.
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Isn't it obvious? Nobody was playing as hellenic character, so they removed it from the game to introduce in the next patch a new taste to the religions in the game - "New Hellenism - Now even more generic". everybody will be like "wtf is this sh**?", while hearing all the stories about how good the old Hellenism was. next the paradox will release the "Hellenism classic" DLC that will replace "New Hellenism" with much better "classical' version. Everybody will get hyped and buy it day-one because it will be so much better that the New Hellenism and people will be nostalgic to the old Cok...ee... I mean Hellenism. It's make perfect sense and is the only explanation! wake up sheep-people!
I think why people don't just want EU Rome II and rather have Hellenic be available in CK2 is the thought of altering history a lot. Something like say, stopping Christianity from being the predominant religion in the Middle Ages for example.
Think of it like how in CK2, you can stop the rise of Islam and stomp it in Persia with say Zoroastrianism, or say make a Jain India.
The Wiki was NOT owned by/part of Paradox at the time.
Hellenic_pagan was not part of the Ruler Designer DLC.
Don't make things up.
Here is my thread to the Legacy of Rome DLC and patch 1.07 in the german subforum:
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/info-über-den-legacy-of-rome-dlc-und-1-07-patch.630867/
Take any of the links there on the first post (all original in english) and tell me where it says that it's part of the DLC.
It wasn't even part of the patch.
It's not even part of religions.txt in 1.08.
Yes i have a game folder of 1.08 on my harddisk. Sadly none before 1.06b.
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Don't make things up? But it's a fact. It's been part of it. I don't know why you're so excited they're stripping a feature just because "Oh it wasn't a main focus.". They say it's a bug when it clearly wasn't. And I don't care if the Wiki was "NOT owned by/part of Paradox at the
"It wasn't owned by them at the time." It is now, and Paradox could've edited it out YEARS ago.
And why the hell are you bringing up Legacy of Rome? Did it not come as part of The Old Gods? Even then, I am saying they talk about it on the Wiki. Not talking of The Old Gods.
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It's terrible considering Hellenic was still around until the 870s and this is meant to be a historical game.
Unfortunately, both the game and the dev team have a poor grasp of history, and I don't just mean when it comes to Hellenism.
Unfortunately, both the game and the dev team have a poor grasp of history, and I don't just mean when it comes to Hellenism.
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It was around on a territory smaller than a province and had ZERO political influence. Only on the Mani peninsular. Really... that's not important enough.
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It existed there IRL, Basil II thought they were important enough to try to convert them, and Hellenic is in the game.
You could say the same for Zunist considering we know nothing about it and it was a minor religion at best, yet that was put in, wasn't it?
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It wasn't and isn't part of the Ruler Designer, but you could use it through it.
That was a bug at first (like playable jews in 2.01) and only made usable later again ,as some fans pushed for it and Paradox made it clear that they never would add anything to it.
Paradox has only made it offical and it began working as such in september last year.
Not even a single year.
..and the page "may contain outdated information" it says at the top right.
The Wiki wasn't written nor owned by Paradox.
Fans did create and support it. Mainly Meneth who only since then is part of Paradox.
That was a misunderstanding.
It came in the patch for The Old Gods, BUT it was no selling/marketing point for the DLC.
My thread to The Old Gods with links to orginal stuff:
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/ck2-die-alten-götter-dlc-entwicklertagebücher-devdiaries.677550/
Thures thread on it:
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/ckii-die-alten-götter-informationen.662849/
NO word about hellenic pagan greeks as far as i can see.
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"It wasn't and isn't part of Ruler Designer, but you could use it through it."
LOL. Mate, this isn't helping your argument. It was part of Ruler Designer, it has been, it was removed.
And you think they need an entire year just to remove one sentence? Damn, you must look at Paradox lower than I do at this point.
And for the rest, it still came with it. It's been there since The Old Gods. It's ridiculous to be removed as people do play with it, even when stripped.
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Paradox doesn't maintain the Wiki's, I don't get what is difficult to grasp about that. They don't have staff controlling it, they just put all of the wiki's under their wing so that there is ONE wiki for each game.
Hellenic was not part of the Ruler Designer DLC, as in they didn't sell it as part of the DLC so you aren't "losing a feature"; they are removing something that shouldn't be playable. That sounds more like a bug fix to me.
PDS should really just remove Hellenic Religion from the files, historic rulers for the ERE be damned.
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IT WASN'T PART OF IT !
That you could use it wasn't intentional (just like the jews) at first.
It was brought back again in a patch with basically the requirement that noone expects enhancing, only after some fans asked kindly for it.
Apparently trolling the devs in patch threads (recently) can also backfire.
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>It wasn't part of it despite being part of it since The Old Gods and having no reason to be removed.
Okay there, buddy. You tell yourself it wasn't a thing in a DLC when it was.
"It wasn't intentional"
I'm not trolling the devs. Again, I love their games. I think they're well talented and have a lot of skill, and I'm for sure waiting on their Project Augustus to have a look at how it's like. I just think they need to fix their focus and to do less mistakes.
Examples being there's no reason to remove Hellenic from Ruler Designer, there's a strange lack of Semitic Paganism in CK2 despite Islam being only 100 years old or so by Charlemagne, and more.
I can still point out flaws and voice disliking of something. Again, I love Paradox, but I think they just need to fix stuff up.
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It got into the cultures file of the patch for non christian greek characters in the history.
The culture file is not part of the Ruler Designer. It's simply a part of the game.
Hellenic_pagans wasn't part of the Ruler Designer nor of the Old Gods DLC, only of the patch coming with the latter..
They forgot at first to disable it.
Sure, go ahead.
I do that quite often.
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Yes there is. It's not meant to be a playable religion. It's only in the game for the history of the ERE.
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