Then it's just a circlejerk and whats the point of a perpetual circlejerk
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So, what is the point of disabling Hellenic and Pagan in Ruler Designer?
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Then it's just a circlejerk and whats the point of a perpetual circlejerk
A circlejerk goes in circles and is therefore pointless.
It's okay, I'll escort myself out.
A circlejerk goes in circles and is therefore pointless.
It's okay, I'll escort myself out.
So you should
Superpowerful Aztecs is no more inconsistent with the game than Zunist empires are.
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Zunism actually had a reasonable presence on the game map, unlike Hellenics or Aztecs. There is only one Hellenic county in 769 (put in to pander to fans), while there is ~5 Zunist counties (all historical). Even then, I think Zunism is unnecessary, and the counties and rulers following it should be Hindu.
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There aren't any Hellenic counties in 769, and only 3 Zunist. Are you running a mod?
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I think he is talking about the Messalians, whom were in historical propaganda and CKII as devil worshippers. Or maybe he is talking about the Yazidis, because they are commonly libelled as such...it is probably the former.
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@Helios Panoptes claimed there was a Hellenic county in 769, and 5 Zunist counties was a guess (I mostly play SWMH)
I think that mod carves up existing provinces there since area historically had many small realms. And lets face it, Afganistan is quite big but has less provinces than Portugal in-game
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Hellenic DLC, this is a complete idiocy, you have to bring that up every time? They were almost dead, why would anyone want to play them, they are ahistorical and boring.
Now if you excuse me, I must go and defend aganist that aztec doomstack. So much more fun and historical reality.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maniots
"The area inhabited by the Maniates was first called by the name "Maina" and was associated with the castle ofTigani. The Maniots at that time were called "Hellenes"—that is, pagans (see Names of the Greeks)—and were only Christianized fully in the 9th century AD, though some church ruins from the 4th century AD indicate thatChristianity was practiced by some Maniots in the region at an earlier time. The Maniots were the last inhabitants of Greece to openly follow the pagan Hellenic religion. This can be explained by the mountainous nature of Mani's terrain, which enabled them to escape the attempts of the Eastern Roman Empire to Christianize Greece by force."
The area is roughly half an ingame province if I recall correctly. The recorded attempt of conversion they still resisted was in 804. I suppose there may have been a bit over 50% majority in that ck2 province at charlemagne start.
Hellenism influenced more IRL than lot of the "side of the world" 3 province pagan religions ever did which are playable ingame, and had influence post-medieval with renessiance, always being present in literacy through the past 2500+ years.
Yeah, I also think we should leave them out.
Now if you excuse me, I must go and defend aganist that aztec doomstack. So much more fun and historical reality.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maniots
"The area inhabited by the Maniates was first called by the name "Maina" and was associated with the castle ofTigani. The Maniots at that time were called "Hellenes"—that is, pagans (see Names of the Greeks)—and were only Christianized fully in the 9th century AD, though some church ruins from the 4th century AD indicate thatChristianity was practiced by some Maniots in the region at an earlier time. The Maniots were the last inhabitants of Greece to openly follow the pagan Hellenic religion. This can be explained by the mountainous nature of Mani's terrain, which enabled them to escape the attempts of the Eastern Roman Empire to Christianize Greece by force."
The area is roughly half an ingame province if I recall correctly. The recorded attempt of conversion they still resisted was in 804. I suppose there may have been a bit over 50% majority in that ck2 province at charlemagne start.
Hellenism influenced more IRL than lot of the "side of the world" 3 province pagan religions ever did which are playable ingame, and had influence post-medieval with renessiance, always being present in literacy through the past 2500+ years.
Yeah, I also think we should leave them out.
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Hellenism reversing the tide of a thousand years and reconquering the Mediterranean = good
The Aztecs blobbing up to the point they cross the ocean = bad?
The Aztecs blobbing up to the point they cross the ocean = bad?
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Hellenic is not properly fleshed out. It only exists for flavor on characters who are dead before the game begins.
Allowing players to actually be Hellenic comes with the tacit promise of developer support and attention, which is not a promise they wish to make or to keep. You can still easily mod the game to make Hellenic playable again, and since you cannot use designed rulers in ironman anyway, it's not that big a deal.
One can argue (though I wouldn't) that the devs should give more attention to Hellenic paganism and actually make it a legitimate way to play the base game, but unless that actually happens, the decision to remove it makes perfect sense to me.
Allowing players to actually be Hellenic comes with the tacit promise of developer support and attention, which is not a promise they wish to make or to keep. You can still easily mod the game to make Hellenic playable again, and since you cannot use designed rulers in ironman anyway, it's not that big a deal.
One can argue (though I wouldn't) that the devs should give more attention to Hellenic paganism and actually make it a legitimate way to play the base game, but unless that actually happens, the decision to remove it makes perfect sense to me.
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Yes, yes, we all love the Maniot arguments, but what about Florence's sudden conversion to Epicureanism in the 12th Century? It is as historical as Ragnar Lothbrok and Messalianism to say the least.
Maybe if Hellenic let you bang your sister or prepare invasions the controversy would end.
Ah, my bad. I meant the 13th Century. Sorry for any confusion. Though actually, in looking up a link for that it reminded me that Frederick II was an Epicurean, too. So there should be a Hellenic HRE from 1220 to 1250, again to be consistent with Messalians, Cathars, and legendary figures like Ragnarr Lothbrok.
And Messalians didn't marry their sisters and Cathars probably didn't practice absolute-cognatic inheritance. For that matter, Frederick II probably wasn't an Epicurean. It's close enough for me.
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I don't get it either. It seems useless to disable it in Ruler Designer. Plus it's a "bug" they claim...
A "bug" that's been here since The Old Gods? No, it's not "bug fixing". It's incompetence.
Once more Paradox practices the business strategy of removing features of a DLC just because they feel like it. It's becoming typical. And I'm saddened by it, because I honestly love their games.
A "bug" that's been here since The Old Gods? No, it's not "bug fixing". It's incompetence.
Once more Paradox practices the business strategy of removing features of a DLC just because they feel like it. It's becoming typical. And I'm saddened by it, because I honestly love their games.
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