So what are we all using as a reference to set our Stellaris expectations?
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Here is my speculation:
Stellaris, unlike even some previous Paradox titles, attract a very diverse set of customers. We have a mix of Grand Strategy and 4X players, players who just like space games/scifi etc. Similarly, they tend to have different expectations and different ways to express them.
Now you are venturing a blanket statement on the hype, claiming everybody "lick digital box". That is in fact far from truth. For instance, I would imagine many of us here who played previous titles, to kind of know what to expect and that is not really "second coming of Jesus". And I for one don't like to have other people put words in our mouth.
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Someone mentioned Star Trek Birth of the Federation! I had forgotten that game. That game was absolutely fantastic!
It had minor races you could take over or befriend, it had graphical combat, the crystalline entity! Full of bugs and probably an awful interface by modern standards.
Such good times back before being a proper adult.
It had minor races you could take over or befriend, it had graphical combat, the crystalline entity! Full of bugs and probably an awful interface by modern standards.
Such good times back before being a proper adult.
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It's not like they were that good in CiV to be honest at least in my opinion...
I mean solid point but I think they will add trade in one of the early updates or dlc's so i'm not super worried about it. Plus if you really needed a resource you could always just take it from another empire haha.
MoO2 is my benchmark. Outdated, yes, but to my mind the definitive space 4x.
Nothing has been quite as satisfying, despite the real advances made in the genre.
Nothing has been quite as satisfying, despite the real advances made in the genre.
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I don't mind watching realtime space battles (occasionally - it would get tedious fast if I had to watch *every* battle), and that Star Wars video was neat, just don't make me have to clickclickclick to give orders. Generally speaking, I pass on any space "strategy" game that advertises "realtime tactical combat". I'm fine with turn-based tactical combats, and I liked the format of Endless Space's combat too - just pick a few cards/chits and let it auto-resolve. None of that realtime orders stuff for me, thanks.
The game looks great and will possibly be the best in the genre but I see a fair few issues so my expectations are more realistic than before the streams.
I am basing my expectations on MoO 3
That way, no matter how bad it is on release, I will still be pleasantly surprised.
That way, no matter how bad it is on release, I will still be pleasantly surprised.
Master of Orion 2 - Still play it sometimes.
EVE Online - Yes, I know it's MMO but it has similarities. Thinking of using Hyperspace Travel (lanes) for my gameplay just because I like that aspect in EVE.
EVE Online - Yes, I know it's MMO but it has similarities. Thinking of using Hyperspace Travel (lanes) for my gameplay just because I like that aspect in EVE.
Greetings space friends,
I'll be comparing it to Imperium Galactica 2 and Birth Of The Federation as they were probably the two 4x games I enjoyed the most. Sins was good, but was somewhat one dimensional with tech and tunneling left space feeling very 2 dimensional. I haven't bought a game and felt genuine excitement for a long time, and I'm hoping that paradox will continue to develop the game's complexity and detail as time moves on; just like they have with EU4. I think they may have to expand on their planetary building/pop model a little, not in the name of micromanagement, but rather push for some mild form of planetary invasion gameplay. (see IG2). In an R.T.S. that is difficult but not impossible and if anyone can come up with something innovative (again) it's Paradox... or Bethesda, but they don't do strategy, so yeah paradox.
Additionally i'd quite like to see a more complicated trade system, encompassing actual scientific principles to products and raw materials i.e. He3 on moons, Rare-earth metals. Having 'energy' and 'minerals' is great and all but i think they may want to consider going down the eu4 trade goods path eventually.
Anyway only a week and a bit to go til launch! I've sent out invites to my first space party and I've bought cheese sticks and dips and those little scotch eggs that nobody ever eats...
I'll be comparing it to Imperium Galactica 2 and Birth Of The Federation as they were probably the two 4x games I enjoyed the most. Sins was good, but was somewhat one dimensional with tech and tunneling left space feeling very 2 dimensional. I haven't bought a game and felt genuine excitement for a long time, and I'm hoping that paradox will continue to develop the game's complexity and detail as time moves on; just like they have with EU4. I think they may have to expand on their planetary building/pop model a little, not in the name of micromanagement, but rather push for some mild form of planetary invasion gameplay. (see IG2). In an R.T.S. that is difficult but not impossible and if anyone can come up with something innovative (again) it's Paradox... or Bethesda, but they don't do strategy, so yeah paradox.
Additionally i'd quite like to see a more complicated trade system, encompassing actual scientific principles to products and raw materials i.e. He3 on moons, Rare-earth metals. Having 'energy' and 'minerals' is great and all but i think they may want to consider going down the eu4 trade goods path eventually.
Anyway only a week and a bit to go til launch! I've sent out invites to my first space party and I've bought cheese sticks and dips and those little scotch eggs that nobody ever eats...
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I'm tempted to say Master of Orion II given how much I still enjoy that game, but that's not really true.
What I want to know is if Stellaris will be able to create stories as much as I hope it will. Crusader Kings II does a superb job at creating complex, dynamic story lines with each playthrough simply by knitting together a huge number of possible events and outcomes.
I don't know how vast Stellaris' script database is compared to CKII, though, or if it is as flexible.
The real yardstick for me would be if (any) single Stellaris game can pass Star Control II in storytelling.
What I want to know is if Stellaris will be able to create stories as much as I hope it will. Crusader Kings II does a superb job at creating complex, dynamic story lines with each playthrough simply by knitting together a huge number of possible events and outcomes.
I don't know how vast Stellaris' script database is compared to CKII, though, or if it is as flexible.
The real yardstick for me would be if (any) single Stellaris game can pass Star Control II in storytelling.
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I've been playing 4x since the dos days, Moo, Moo2, Fragile allegiance, ascendancy, galciv 1, galciv 2, galciv 3, Space empires 3, Space empires 4, Space empires 5, Moo3, Sins of a solar empire, and i'm probably forgetting a few.
I've watched /all/ of the blorg streams, so I think I have a fair idea of what to expect, along with my encyclopedic knowledge on the traditional genre, I feel that while Stellaris is just kissing-cousins with traditional 4X, it'll be a good fit for me.
I've watched /all/ of the blorg streams, so I think I have a fair idea of what to expect, along with my encyclopedic knowledge on the traditional genre, I feel that while Stellaris is just kissing-cousins with traditional 4X, it'll be a good fit for me.
That's really hard to say. Probably closest to Distant Worlds I guess, but it's been a long time since I got into that, and haven't had any urge the last couple years to revisit it.
Keeping an positive and open mind on Stellaris. There are going to be things I don't like, or find too "shallow", or think are unbalanced, of course. Just like any Paradox GSG. But overall, I expect it to be good fun right off the bat on initial release and an excellent game once it has a year or two of expansions under its belt. My favourite aspect of Paradox as a developer is that I can buy one of their games and know I have several years of interesting and evolving gaming ahead with that title.
And in the extremely unlikely event I don't like Stellaris, there's HOI4 to look forward to. But I entirely expect my problem instead to be how to fit both of those into my limited gaming time!
Keeping an positive and open mind on Stellaris. There are going to be things I don't like, or find too "shallow", or think are unbalanced, of course. Just like any Paradox GSG. But overall, I expect it to be good fun right off the bat on initial release and an excellent game once it has a year or two of expansions under its belt. My favourite aspect of Paradox as a developer is that I can buy one of their games and know I have several years of interesting and evolving gaming ahead with that title.
And in the extremely unlikely event I don't like Stellaris, there's HOI4 to look forward to. But I entirely expect my problem instead to be how to fit both of those into my limited gaming time!
Some of the mods for sins made it even better. Star wars ascendancy has my fancy right now, as well as the fall of Kobol mod. The colonials are very well done in it.
Yeah, the slave to the game thing is what finally made me quit. Scheduling your real life for a game is utter ridiculous. I had my saturday's and sunday's taken by that game LOL. Though i did enjoy it, but the community got old after a while. Too many elitist pricks.
I will be comparing it to Stars! ... I STILL play that game (after over 20 years). If Stellaris gives me even a tenth of the enjoyment and replayability of Stars! then I will be a happy camper.
All in all, I'm truly hoping for a sensible combination of Stars!, Civ, and EU.
All in all, I'm truly hoping for a sensible combination of Stars!, Civ, and EU.
Sword of the stars, thinking of creating a mod for the combat but the AI's will have to be changed and I probably will have to create a couple more models along with firing arcs and tons more work etc