So, this gavelkindthing

[travro]

I am, currently: Charles Karling II (grandson of Charlemagne). I got two sons (and several daughters) with ag-cog gavel for both my kingdom and imperial title.

So these are my titles: Empire of HRE, Kingdom of France, Duchy of Flanders, and all the counties of Flanders, six in total, plus two baronies, for a total of eight holdings.

Flanders is de jure Kingdom of Frisia, which has yet to exist, and has been drifting into France/West Francia.

This is how I thought this would be separated: At first I thought that the second son only inherits the first duplicated title (The second duchy had I two duchies). In my case, he would get four baronies and be a quad-count. First would get the rest.

But this is how the game wants to separate them: The first gets HRE and seven baronies, the second gets Kingdom of France and Duchy of Flanders, and one barony from Flanders. This means that he will have the duchy of which I have 7/8 holdings, and the kingdom from where that duchy has so far been residing. Result, low opinion due to 'desires the county of ......x7' and worse, border gore. A blue splotch right in the middle of my once perfect power base.

In short, I don't want this to happen.

So if I decide to create kingdom of Frisia and give away the Kingdom of France to, I don't know, the duke of Normady, do any of you know how the gavelkind will work then? I'm guessing it will be the same thing, but he'll just have different vassals.

Did gavel always work this way? I thought you keep every title that was unique at it's level. That is, I keep my one empire title, my one kingdom title, my one duchy title, and then split my multiple county/barony titles. This is why I didn't bother to create Frisia in the first place, to prevent a weird split like this. Now, I atleast have a reason to get the 'Frisian coast is long' achievement.

 

[Dragatus]

Gavelkind would give you the first empire, the first kingdom, the first duchy and the first county, but only if your capital county is the de jure capital of your empire, your duchy is the duchy of the de jure capital and your kingdom is the kingdom of the de jure capital.

Gavelkind tries to give everyone an equal value of titles, it tries to preserve de jure setup, and also tires to give away complete duchies. France is not the capital kingdom of the HRE and Flanders is not the capital duchy of either France nor the HRE. So as a result the game doesn't see it as something it needs to give to the primary heir.

Your primary heir gets the empire so the second son gets the kingdom (becuase it's not the de jure capital kingdom of the empire) and the duchy. It's unusual however that you're getting the majority of the counties. I'd expect those to mostly go to the future duke of Flanders.

Gavelkind also considers already held titles. I'd suggest Creating Frisia and giving France and an expendable county away to your second son. That way since he already has a kingdom your primary heir should get Frisia and hopefully Flanders with it.

 

[Thrake]

Revoke a king title, give it with a county or two+duchy to your secondary heir and your primary heir will inherit everything you want.

You need more than your powerbase than the powerbase that you intend to keep with gavelkind. What I personnaly do is accumulate titles during my reign (including revoking after rebelions), even ones I don't want and when I'm getting above demesne limit I feed it to secondary heirs; if you blob hard enough you can safely keep wathever you want most times.

Obviously it has not always worked like that as the game is out for like 4 years and it has been tweaked many times but this is both an old system and believe me gavelkind right now is several times better than old gavelkind where you had no control at all over it and you couldn't land your sons, you would have has much luck playing roulette than keeping your capital.

 

[brifbates]

What Dragatus said, you need to have the primary stuff or it all goes to crap. Beyond that as long as you have a single county for the rest of the heirs you're fine and your core area will stay with the main heir, it gets really fubar when you don't have the primary stuff as your core.

 

[Sergeant Flutter]

Or you can kill the second son.

Your first son should soon be old enough to start having children, which will secure your line if he does.

When you play as your son, you need to start getting closer to having Primogeniture.

 

[Naufragus]

Also keep in mind that sometimes the displayed inheritance isn't always correct. Sometimes you have to restart the game for it to calculate.

Gravel is just a head ache IMO since in my experience 9/10 it makes no sense how it gets distributed.

Here are some tips and tricks. You can make one son a bishop. or just nominate him for one and he is out of the line of succession. So put a really young bishop in a holding if you can and then nominate your son as successor and pray he doesnt die.

Its been a while but it used to be people in jail cant inherit so jailing a son used to work

Sometimes having another son makes it all work out the way you want

Sometimes gaining another title will also make it work out better

Be aware of differing crown laws. Not all the laws are always the same - ie your kingdom is primo but a duchy is gravel.

Handing out titles before you die if also good. I would suggest doing a save and giving the younger son a title and then resign and come back and see how things shake out.

Regardless of what you do there is a good chance there will be claims and was after your death.

 

[travro]

Well, I appreciate all the advice, but someone had me murdered before I could get anything done so everything went to crap. But that's okay, I had my brothers murdered (Actually they're my nephews - my father was actually my brother because grandpa slept with mom, haha, Karlings). So everything's back in my pocket.

But I found a solution to prevent it from happening again: seniority succession. Hope I can deal with a discontent council every five minutes, hehe.

 

[RelVleDy]

Also keep in mind that sometimes the displayed inheritance isn't always correct. Sometimes you have to restart the game for it to calculate.

Gravel is just a head ache IMO since in my experience 9/10 it makes no sense how it gets distributed.

Here are some tips and tricks. You can make one son a bishop. or just nominate him for one and he is out of the line of succession. So put a really young bishop in a holding if you can and then nominate your son as successor and pray he doesnt die.

Its been a while but it used to be people in jail cant inherit so jailing a son used to work

Sometimes having another son makes it all work out the way you want

Sometimes gaining another title will also make it work out better

Be aware of differing crown laws. Not all the laws are always the same - ie your kingdom is primo but a duchy is gravel.

Handing out titles before you die if also good. I would suggest doing a save and giving the younger son a title and then resign and come back and see how things shake out.

Regardless of what you do there is a good chance there will be claims and was after your death.

What I do is if your character is a guy, marry women age 45 or higher (to avoid them getting pregnant and for the spouse stats), then fraternize with concubines and basically cheat on your wife as much as you can to pop out illegitimate babies. When you get a baby you like, legitimize them. This allows you to not only be selective about your heir, but also to make that character the sole heir of your realm. The opinion modifiers are a bit messy with this method, but it's worth it imo.

 

[travro]

The opinion modifiers are a bit messy with this method, but it's worth it imo.

Oh, how despicable we rulers are.

 

[Shadesmar13]

If u have Old Gods DLC u should try to create all kingdoms u can .... Liberation Revolts can otherwise happen and they spawn pretty strong armies. Im not sure if it happens with kingdoms which werent there at the start like frisia tho.