So, the rate of death is really high.

[vandevere]

2 out of my 3 children (both underage, including my only son) just died of rabies within a couple months of each other...

I've just started save-scumming when things get completely out of hand like that.

Out of ten children, 5 are dead, on from Flu, one from Childbirth, one from Poor health, and two from rabies. The Flu death, the Poor Health and the Childbirth death were over 16. The Flu died at 17, the Childbirth died at 19, and Poor Health died at 16. The two Rabies deaths were 7, and 6 respectively...

 

[Dr Gonzo]

I love replies like this inevitably showing up demanding evidence. We don't have access to information like that, but we can provide anecdotes. Great, you are the very model of the person who can only believe in numerical data, we get it. You probably hated when people were talking about the out of control sedition as well, yet it actually was a problem.

The funniest part of this is that out of control seduction was never really a thing either.

 

[Narr666]

The funniest part of this is that out of control seduction was never really a thing either.

So, let´s just praise the game rules. Still can´t confirm the reports about to high death rates at all, still asking myself what it is I seem to do right. The game rules will spare us from watered-down experiences. Everytime the community is devided, they can just add a game rule without spoiling the fun for the other group. It´s genius and great.

I actually can´t wait for the next rule so the death rate discussion will end and everyone´s happy.

 

[Nameless_Ensign]

The funniest part of this is that out of control seduction was never really a thing either.

Really now?

http://imgur.com/a/IljC9

 

[Dr Gonzo]

Really now?

http://imgur.com/a/IljC9

It just keeps getting funnier.

 

[Notthemama]

Can you kindly point to where I demanded anything? Yes, I would prefer some actual data on this topic or any other as opposed to the conjecture of a few people. I guess you're one of those people who hates experts bossing you round and asking for a clear logical approach to a problem. But yes feel free to attack me and bring nothing to the discussion.

What you're an expert? You're bossing me around? I wasn't aware of either of those things, but feel free to misconstrue whatever you want. It is the internet after all.

 

[Notthemama]

It just keeps getting funnier.

Ahh, so the devs didn't tone down the seduction, ok. Glad to have that cleared up.

 

[WankoStankins]

Well I ran a game on observer with default settings for anything that would effect death rates. The bubonic plague hasn't come yet, this is just from "minor" epidemics. Here's what I found in the save file.

247510 hits for "d_d=" (which everyone who has ever died will have)
195644 hits for "c_d=" (which everyone who didn't die of natural causes will have, so it includes murders, deaths in battle, childbirth deaths, poor health etc.)"
156723 hits for "c_d=death_trait" (which is the trait that anyone who has a yellow skull upon death will have)

So 156723/247510, or 63% of all the deaths in the game (from 769 to 1327) were yellow skull deaths. Imo a little extreme. I'm too lazy to find out the exact causes, because the save files now list traits like {{12 62 23}} to save space.

There's also a wee bit too much assassination but fixing the ai's penchant for nonsensical violence is harder than changing the chance of disease.

 

[Akmatov]

Steam has a 75% sale on and I'm prowling around seeing if I want to invest in this. CK2 seems very interesting, rather a bit of work but interesting. However, reading of the mess Paradox has made of things with RD, I'll not be investing in it till it is fixed. And for those who seem to be claiming there is not much data on mortality in the Middle Ages, that is wrong. Obviously, nothing like US Census data, but there a a lot known to historians and Paradox has messed up.

 

[Sonmi]

Steam has a 75% sale on and I'm prowling around seeing if I want to invest in this. CK2 seems very interesting, rather a bit of work but interesting. However, reading of the mess Paradox has made of things with RD, I'll not be investing in it till it is fixed. And for those who seem to be claiming there is not much data on mortality in the Middle Ages, that is wrong. Obviously, nothing like US Census data, but there a a lot known to historians and Paradox has messed up.

I wouldn't say Reaper's Due is a mess, and I'm saying that as someone who has a fair amount of criticism about some of the features it added. (I'd also agree about the historical inaccuracy of the current death rates)

I'd still recommend it regardless, though it could be a bit more enjoyable.

 

[Dr Gonzo]

Steam has a 75% sale on and I'm prowling around seeing if I want to invest in this. CK2 seems very interesting, rather a bit of work but interesting. However, reading of the mess Paradox has made of things with RD, I'll not be investing in it till it is fixed. And for those who seem to be claiming there is not much data on mortality in the Middle Ages, that is wrong. Obviously, nothing like US Census data, but there a a lot known to historians and Paradox has messed up.

You've got the wrong picture Akmatov. Reaper's Due is possibly the least messed up DLC that's ever been released for this game. If you had seen the forum at the time that Conclave was released for example you would realise that this DLC has been massively well received compared to previous offerings. This thread is just the usual exaggerations from the control-freak crowd who get upset about any negative effects from the RNG.

 

[Akmatov]

Thx for the helpful comments. There seems to be much in Reaper's Due that is quite interesting. However, the current maladjustment of the death rate from normal disease would be a constant irritant as I know it is highly incorrect. As has been mentioned repeatedly, the majority of the high mortality is concentrated in the first years of life and a male, especially an upper class male, reaching adulthood had a life expectancy similar to today. Females ofc had significant mortality due to complications of childbirth. I'll be keeping an eye out for the fix and will surely purchase it then.

Posters here seem to fall into two general categorizes, those desiring a relatively historical playing field and those who are generic slash and burn gamers desiring maximum chaos and disaster in whatever game they happen to be playing. I'm firmly in the former camp, for me the primary attraction to CK2, and last night I purchased almost the entire collection, is its attempt to be relatively true to the actual historical background of the times. Anyone can market an anything goes fantasy world, Paradox tries to market games that at least resemble the 'real reality' as best we know it. This is rather unique for this time period.

 

[Ternega]

Thx for the helpful comments. There seems to be much in Reaper's Due that is quite interesting. However, the current maladjustment of the death rate from normal disease would be a constant irritant as I know it is highly incorrect. As has been mentioned repeatedly, the majority of the high mortality is concentrated in the first years of life and a male, especially an upper class male, reaching adulthood had a life expectancy similar to today. Females ofc had significant mortality due to complications of childbirth. I'll be keeping an eye out for the fix and will surely purchase it then.

Just to provide you with a bit more of a perspective, the reports of high death chance for player character/immediate family are a consequence of people misusing tools provided by the game to maintain good health. For me dying under 40 is an anomaly, and I had multiple characters survive both cancer and black death, with admittedly some unpleasant side effects.

The only issue I encountered that would justify lowering death rates is that AI can't handle the situation quite as well as a skilled player can. This resulted in my current game in Karlings dying out, with the last woman holding all their lands but dying in hiding, stressed and inflicted with syphilis and lunacy.

Edit. I didn't realize that she actually died of camp fever. This is hilarious.

 

[Caspoi]

The only issue I encountered that would justify lowering death rates is that AI can't handle the situation quite as well as a skilled player can. This resulted in my current game in Karlings dying out, with the last woman holding all their lands but dying in hiding, stressed and inflicted with syphilis and lunacy.

Here is the overlying problem, while the player could with some good hospitals and court physicians maintain themselves from the diseases (although this is assuming that you can actually pay for it, poor tribal chieftains) the AI does not know, hence them dying all over the place.

 

[Ternega]

Here is the overlying problem, while the player could with some good hospitals and court physicians maintain themselves from the diseases (although this is assuming that you can actually pay for it, poor tribal chieftains) the AI does not know, hence them dying all over the place.

You only need really need hospitals against the Plague. Most mundane epidemics can be handled w/o one. I should add that above description is from someone who plays mostly norse tribal since release.

 

[Caspoi]

You only need really need hospitals against the Plague. Most mundane epidemics can be handled w/o one. I should add that above description is from someone who plays mostly norse tribal since release.

Our observations differ on that one, from what I have seen getting diseases and not removing them immideatly is pretty much a death sentance for most people simply due to how much these diseases stack with one another.

 

[Ternega]

Our observations differ on that one, from what I have seen getting diseases and not removing them immideatly is pretty much a death sentance for most people simply due to how much these diseases stack with one another.

Well this depends on what you mean removing them. Immediate treatment is the name of the game, sure, but I resort to experimental only on people who have -3 or more negative health. Also towards old age if you would like to prolong the character's rule it is wise to start adopting +health lifestyles.

Just to clarify I'm not saying hospitals are useless, I'm just saying that they are helpful but not necessary for realm stability, unless you have a very small dynasty. Which is a situation you never want to be in, so martilinear marriages, bastards and landing family members are all good ways to ensure dynastic stability in case of emergency.

 

[Dr Gonzo]

Our observations differ on that one, from what I have seen getting diseases and not removing them immideatly is pretty much a death sentance for most people simply due to how much these diseases stack with one another.

This would be an issue if having more than one illness at once was common but it really isn't. I normally see an illness every 10 years at most for my character - including epidemics. The black death doesn't even seem to be that deadly if you close the gates in time.

 

[vandevere]

This would be an issue if having more than one illness at once was common but it really isn't. I normally see an illness every 10 years at most for my character - including epidemics. The black death doesn't even seem to be that deadly if you close the gates in time.

I've had multiple illnesses attack the same province before. Smallpox and Consumption...

 

[Dr Gonzo]

I've had multiple illnesses attack the same province before. Smallpox and Consumption...

Yeah I had smallpox and the black death at the same time in my capital. Sat inside the walls and didn't catch either. Nearly starved though.