You stop it by vacuum :-D Are the question serious or just a reference?
Just a reference.
Socialism is like a plague in Victoria 2.
well, IRL too...
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So...pops, is this going to be like Vicky in Space (sorta kinda?)
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Just a reference.
Socialism is like a plague in Victoria 2.
well, IRL too...
Yes they are free to try and do whatever, within some restriction to sci-fi and their pragmatic approach (which they already stated). What I mean is, some mechanics are so universally adaptable, that they apply to other eras too. Like HOI4 naval system, wouldn´t mind seeing that in EU4 since it kinda make sense there too, making smaller naval battles more like "search and destroy" where as the larger, decisive battles with fleets more micro by blockading or direct warfare. That system would also mean that instead of sending fleet to "hunt pirates" which only lowers their efficiency and the casus belli, they could instead make it like hunting subs. Where you have a small fleet patroling regularly and have battles when they meet with a small chance of discovering originating nation, instead of a CB from start
Since they seem to be going with a 2d rts real time with pause system for their ship to ship combat, it reminds me of the features in Ancient Space or Homeworld or Sins of the Solar Empire. They're all very different of course, but that's the kind of pool of game mechanics that is feasible. How many resources they would have to use to integrate it with the Clausewitz engine, shrugs. Also for submarine or anti submarine warfare, I always thought the novel Out of the Black did things very well there, using a space exploration setting. The stealth systems are similar to Normandy's heat sinks, but the armor also acts as a laser reflector and active camouflage. There was some good cross talk about "space navy" physics in that other thread.
I think if Paradox makes another historical centered game, except this time using Time Paradoxes and travellers from the future or alternate dimensions,
I only started playing CK2 this year, so I don't know much about Eu4 or Hearts of Iron gameplay, other than their focus themes and timeline. Paradox does seem to do a good job of generating fun features for historical context, such as the Viking raiding system. Started as one county there and created the Empire of Scandinavia before the Age of Vikings started. The viking raid system changes some things, but doesn't upset the entire system or simulation.
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Being from a state that has a highly developed welfare system and thus being refered to as a socialist state by some, while not at all being that, makes the remark distasteful in my ear... Never the less, I agree that pure socialism is an ideology best left there. But look at the Scandinavian country which are social-liberal and say it´s a bad thing
My point was that that system could be used elsewhere too, just as the new POP system in stellaris might be able to work for their other products, you know learning from each others mistakes and success
They are different games to say the least... Play most of their games really but mostly Vicky, Ck2, EU 4 and CS and will be playing HOI and stellaris
however it´s mostly CK and EU I switcht between with the other being more to spice things up But they are good at creating these games, partly because they still listen to their players and partly because they actually play the game themselves instead of just selling them. They have an equal interest in making the game better, other than just lining their pockets *cough*
I expect it will be mostly about politics, unrest and rebelions to model (or at least attempt to model) a realistical political situation. In the other hand, it goes hand in hand with social situation, so I would have a hard time imagining how it could be realistic without having classes. I mean, you wouldn't expect your aristocrats to be comunists, would you?
I don't know if it will go as far as modeling needs and an actual industrial network though or if it will just be about "building hammers" a la civilization. I hope not, that would make economy very bland.
I don't know if it will go as far as modeling needs and an actual industrial network though or if it will just be about "building hammers" a la civilization. I hope not, that would make economy very bland.
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That should have been communist, I'm going to edit it. I didn't say they should be excluded either; just that there are other ideologies that would be more in line with their own interests, similarly to how aristocrats tend to be reactionary in Vicky while capitalists are more likely to be liberal.
Communism does exclude something yes
but yes, I like how Vicky represented POP as having different ideologies... Think PDX with Stellaris will do this well, judging from the DD of race-creation. Would imagine the same apply to these POPs, so ranging between A and B but having a number of variables. If done well, they might even be able to create two different communist factions du to having minor differences in their ethos... Like China and Russia in cold-war
Socialists were fine, they helped me pass health and education reforms.
Anarcho-Liberals, on the other hand, were a plague to be eradicated by any means necessary.
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Being from a state that has a highly developed welfare system and thus being refered to as a socialist state by some, while not at all being that, makes the remark distasteful in my ear... Never the less, I agree that pure socialism is an ideology best left there. But look at the Scandinavian country which are social-liberal and say it´s a bad thing
I understand.
A developed and cultured country like any of the scandinavian works very well with a moderate socialist way.
On the other hand look to my country, underdeveloped with a Populist/Socialist/Corrupt government and you will see hell.
Corruption was a thing here even 50-100 years ago, it´s only from the 80-90 it went well and that might have been due to the "socialist" expansion of the welfare and worker rights. Nothing weeds out corruption more, than when people invest together in society... However could just be pure luck or due to some inherint culture-thing that can hardly be used elsewhere... Corruption is still a thing though ;-) you can never go without
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Actually fascists were the real plague. No matter what you do , an average of 20% of your population will become fascists , even if you are running a perfect democracy who has just win ww1, which makes no sense. I hope that in stellaris people move towards more radicals ethos if there is an economic crisis , fail to archive wargoals, nationalism etc... instead of Vic 2 event driven system ( that should also be use, but be less powerful)
Eh, fascism had a kind of fringe popularity in almost every civilized nation in the 20's and 30's. It catered to the fantasies of several influential or very politically conscious groups.
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