His points on how HOI4 is becoming more arcadey were not tossed because he's "Alt-Right" but because it's have nothing to do with the topic of discussion, which is Manchukuo's tree.
So Manchukuo has literally no historical focus end path
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His points on how HOI4 is becoming more arcadey were not tossed because he's "Alt-Right" but because it's have nothing to do with the topic of discussion, which is Manchukuo's tree.
The whole idea of a "path" for Manchukuo is absurd. The Manchu "EMPEROR" Puyi had no real power. The Japanese occupied his entire "country". He was a complete puppet figurehead, same as Wang Jingwei. They had zero real administrative capabilities or even command over soldiers. The idea of a resurgent Manchu Qing Empire is about a thousand times more unlikely than the already stupid Kaiserreich that only exists because of fanboys.
Basically this. Puyi was a straight up puppet, nothing more. The historical tree in his case would be "bend over for the Japanese and then either get absorbed by Japan, or buttfucked by China", which isn't particularly fun for anyone to play. Besides, breaking free as Manchukuo and doing cool shit is difficult but fun, as games should be.
I don't know, I am not looking at the Historical AI focus priorities. What I am looking at is Podcat's post saying that the section highlighted by OP is NOT part of the historical path.
Manchukuo had even less freedom than Vichy France. Most of Manchukuo's population weren't even Manchus at that point but Han and Japanese, neither of which were exactly yearned for the return of a nobody Manchu has been.
But Muh Qing!
Seriously though, I get your point but they still do need to ensure some playability for Manchuko if its part of the DLC.
Is Manchuko forming the Qing Empire the right way to do that? No probably not but Paradox's customer base is mostly leftists (So everything has to mess with the Axis even if it makes no sense) who also have an obsession with restoring old empires (But not so much Byzantium for some unknowable reason) so gotta pander to that audience. And a Qing restoration ticks both boxes nicely.
From what I saw on stream, the only real way to start off is to create a situation where the Japanese and Chinese are stuck in a stalemate, then proceed to move your troops in such a way as to cut of the Japanese and declare war.
Okay, sounds nice, but have i to invade and occupy the entire japanese counryside for to breakfree?
No clue haven't had time to play as Manchuko yet, I believe there's a decision for Japan to let you go if you occupy the whole mainland.
God, I know right.
Everyone knows women didn't exist in history and were invented by Anita Sarkeesian, but the mainstream liberal media conspires to cover it up because political correctness has gone mad.
But at least we still have raw milk. We'll be safe, as long as we have the raw milk. Delicious, moderately toxic raw milk..
Just in case this thread is still salvageable: 
In my game so far, getting lucky by Japan going down its democratic focus tree and having a civil war helped. Korea was released with no army for some easy factories for me. Japan also formed its own faction with only Turkey (wtf?) as a member, so is isolated.
Annoyingly though, they got to hold on to East Hebei, Dalian, and Taiwan. I can imagine them holding onto Taiwan, but in a full blown civil war they'd probably would have pulled out of at least Hebei instead of keeping 20+ regiments there, but oh well.
The problem now is that, even though I have all of pre-Xinhai China I can get, short of attacking the Comintern for Mongolia, I have to war against Japan proper with zero naval tech at 1942. So earliest possible invasion around 1945? Will build up fighter spam, coastal defenders, and paratroopers in the meantime.
As far as warring the other Chinese states goes, as long as they still have the -50% combat malus you can basically ROFL-stomp them if you stack all the military advisors, field 7/2 regiments, and have Superior Firepower.
Or, since I still haven't used my CB from the independence focus, perhaps the white peace event can still fire? Will try and dig into the game files and check.
Also, does anyone know how you can shift your government ethics as Manchukuo? They have no relevant advisors or focuses that I can find...
Edit: I was incorrect - the focus for independence was bypassed, as I had been released by the civil war as well, so likely no easy event to finish off Japan for me.
Edit2: Within a month of loaded, Japan declared on me over claims on Korea. War was over in a month with the event. Korea will not get re-released if Manchukuo already owned it. Just need to get Mengkukuo integrated and the Mandate of Heaven is back. All in all a very fun and quick, albiet incredibly ahistorical, run.
In my game so far, getting lucky by Japan going down its democratic focus tree and having a civil war helped. Korea was released with no army for some easy factories for me. Japan also formed its own faction with only Turkey (wtf?) as a member, so is isolated.
Annoyingly though, they got to hold on to East Hebei, Dalian, and Taiwan. I can imagine them holding onto Taiwan, but in a full blown civil war they'd probably would have pulled out of at least Hebei instead of keeping 20+ regiments there, but oh well.
The problem now is that, even though I have all of pre-Xinhai China I can get, short of attacking the Comintern for Mongolia, I have to war against Japan proper with zero naval tech at 1942. So earliest possible invasion around 1945? Will build up fighter spam, coastal defenders, and paratroopers in the meantime.
As far as warring the other Chinese states goes, as long as they still have the -50% combat malus you can basically ROFL-stomp them if you stack all the military advisors, field 7/2 regiments, and have Superior Firepower.
Or, since I still haven't used my CB from the independence focus, perhaps the white peace event can still fire? Will try and dig into the game files and check.
Also, does anyone know how you can shift your government ethics as Manchukuo? They have no relevant advisors or focuses that I can find...
Edit: I was incorrect - the focus for independence was bypassed, as I had been released by the civil war as well, so likely no easy event to finish off Japan for me.
Edit2: Within a month of loaded, Japan declared on me over claims on Korea. War was over in a month with the event. Korea will not get re-released if Manchukuo already owned it. Just need to get Mengkukuo integrated and the Mandate of Heaven is back. All in all a very fun and quick, albiet incredibly ahistorical, run.
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Manchukuo doesn't have a historical focus end path because "get deleted by the Soviet Union" is a terrible idea for a focus.
On historical settings, Manchukuo now plays a lot more historically accurately than a lot of other countries do. "Vassalise Mengjiang" would be a lot more accurate if it made Mengjiang a puppet instead of annexing them, and I'd much prefer that, but the "National Cooperation Government" focus won't result in Manchukuo being given ahistorical territory unless the game has already deviated extremely from the historical path in a way unlikely to happen in game. If that deviation does happen, it seems like a fair "most likely result" situation to me.
On historical settings, Manchukuo now plays a lot more historically accurately than a lot of other countries do. "Vassalise Mengjiang" would be a lot more accurate if it made Mengjiang a puppet instead of annexing them, and I'd much prefer that, but the "National Cooperation Government" focus won't result in Manchukuo being given ahistorical territory unless the game has already deviated extremely from the historical path in a way unlikely to happen in game. If that deviation does happen, it seems like a fair "most likely result" situation to me.
I have not been able to find anything on my end! To my knowledge it appears their ideology may be locked.
Regarding Manchukuo's route itself and this thread's original beginning, it seems like the best way for someone to play the "historical" route would be to simply stop advancing the national focuses after proceeding a bit into the Japanese-friendly tree. (In a way where you aren't given all of China by them and remain their puppet.) That seems to be how one could role-play in that direction.
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