Yep. Probably Prepared Invasion, and "county conquest any coastal province", will be locked until 793. That and perhaps sea raiding.
So, it's Charlemagne
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Yep. Probably Prepared Invasion, and "county conquest any coastal province", will be locked until 793. That and perhaps sea raiding.
Well so was paganism but apparently they still had one province in Greece. So who knows they might still be kicking around, besides most Catholic heresies start with no land at all. The main thing need for this game is a way to have things like heresies that originally were founded near the end of the game not show up in 769!
Well, maybe there is still hope for a <insert rare/mythical beast name> hunt in <insert regional name> DLC, or a <insert very isolated/small culture name> DLC.
In all seriousness though, I am not at all excited by the reports of a Charlemagne DLC. That may change depending on what is expanded upon in the game. If they can do a good job fleshing out the generic pagan blobs and giving the player more to do in peacetime, I'll start changing my tune. At least this time, it looks like the player won't have to deal with the Karling superblob at start.
If the timeframe pushback was inevitable, I would've loved to have seen it go back another hundred years or so. You could see how the Muslim conquests of the Sassanids and the Byzantines played out as an Islamic conqueror, and perhaps taken Europe. You could've turned the tide as a Zoroastrian decedant of Kousrau II who saves the Sassanids from being absorbed into the Islamic Caliphate then finally put the final nail in the coffin of Persia's mortal enemy of Rome/Byzantium and get vengance for Heraclius' reconquests a few decades prior.
In the West, you could play in Ireland/Tutorial Island and renact the rise of the High Kingship as the Ua Niells or another family. In England, you could play the role of King Arthur as a Romano-British ruler who pushes back the invasion of the Angles, Saxons and Jutes... or played as conqueror.
In all seriousness though, I am not at all excited by the reports of a Charlemagne DLC. That may change depending on what is expanded upon in the game. If they can do a good job fleshing out the generic pagan blobs and giving the player more to do in peacetime, I'll start changing my tune. At least this time, it looks like the player won't have to deal with the Karling superblob at start.
If the timeframe pushback was inevitable, I would've loved to have seen it go back another hundred years or so. You could see how the Muslim conquests of the Sassanids and the Byzantines played out as an Islamic conqueror, and perhaps taken Europe. You could've turned the tide as a Zoroastrian decedant of Kousrau II who saves the Sassanids from being absorbed into the Islamic Caliphate then finally put the final nail in the coffin of Persia's mortal enemy of Rome/Byzantium and get vengance for Heraclius' reconquests a few decades prior.
In the West, you could play in Ireland/Tutorial Island and renact the rise of the High Kingship as the Ua Niells or another family. In England, you could play the role of King Arthur as a Romano-British ruler who pushes back the invasion of the Angles, Saxons and Jutes... or played as conqueror.
what's even better, there's no schism in 769, I wonder how they would handle that. Of course technically there was no schism in 867, and look how they handled that.
They would probably set the crowning of Charlemagne or the Donation of Constantine as the start point of the schism so that they won't have to deal with it.
I bet they will handle it exactly the same way.
So, I guess there will be only 2 independent Muslim characters to play in that bookmark: the Umayyad Emirate in Spain, and the Abbasid Caliphate in absolutely everywhere else in the Muslim world. So, considering Decadence is pretty tame now and muslim realms quite stable overall, how will the Abbasids not last forever and conquer everything?
The boomark doesn't appear to offer many interesting locations to play: you have Huge France, Huge Arabia, Sandwiched Muslim Spain, Sandwiched Christian Spain, unremarkable ERE, assortment of small guys in Britain, Khazaria and... what else?
*sudden urge to have even earlier start date with Ummayads in fool glory, where you can just watch them painting the world green"
Define dead? The Visigoths had a decidedly Arian streak which would still exist in Northern Spain in 769 - I believe the Western modification (Filioque) that still exists today in the Nicene Creed originated from Spanish Bishops trying to curb that fact. It wasn't adopted by the Patriarch of Rome until the early 11th century but definitely adds in as one of the items leading up to the schism.
Though that all depends a bit on your definition of processio......
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The only plausible way the schism can be represented (if it wont be ignored...):
-everybody chaldedonian starts catholic in new bookmark, including ERE
-Byzantine Emperor gets decision to convert to Orthodox (available only if you are not only catholic emperor)
-if he does is, all orthodox lords of Byzantium get decision to convert with him, or remain catholic
-same for their provinces, they convert with him
-Ecumenical Patriarchy starts vacant, and has no title history. History of Patriarchs is kept in b_hagiasophia file, and copied with copy_title_history command when schism decision is enacted.
What game also needs is start_heresy_date and end_heresy_date values to put in 00_religions.txt, to determinate when heresies can appear, so we won't have Arians in 1300s, or lollards in 800s - i would put the suggestion in modding suggestion thread, but its not being updated nowadays.
-everybody chaldedonian starts catholic in new bookmark, including ERE
-Byzantine Emperor gets decision to convert to Orthodox (available only if you are not only catholic emperor)
-if he does is, all orthodox lords of Byzantium get decision to convert with him, or remain catholic
-same for their provinces, they convert with him
-Ecumenical Patriarchy starts vacant, and has no title history. History of Patriarchs is kept in b_hagiasophia file, and copied with copy_title_history command when schism decision is enacted.
What game also needs is start_heresy_date and end_heresy_date values to put in 00_religions.txt, to determinate when heresies can appear, so we won't have Arians in 1300s, or lollards in 800s - i would put the suggestion in modding suggestion thread, but its not being updated nowadays.
In my opinion it should go exactly the opposite way around, but that's probably because I'm from Orthodox country.
Except those all happened in the seventh century, no the eighth. Though it wasn't accepted by the Popes of Rome until the eleventh century like said, the filioque clause definitely existed prior to this time period and has been known to be used by the earlier Church Fathers.
However, I must concede if they decide to add it as a heresy which pops up now and then like it is with every other heresy. Also, it is quite possible that various parts of Spain still had a significant amount of those who adhered to it. If they do decide to add it, it should probably be Catholic heresy since it was extinct more or less in the east long before, even though Orthodoxy consider them as heresy also (like how Catholicism consider Iconoclasm amongst others as a heresy in real life).
I think you're correct, the west are the ones who diverged not Constantinople.
EUIV can handle the Protestant Reformation I can't see any reason why the schism can't be dealt with.
Though arguably even by the time of Charlemagne the split had already happened de facto if not de jure.
Though arguably even by the time of Charlemagne the split had already happened de facto if not de jure.
Because the Schism is more complex then Protestant Reformation. But yes. It was already splitted.
Nah, definitely east diverging from Rome!
A better way would be perhaps having a unified religion (with Miaphysites and Nestorians as heresies) which disappears after the schism happens, but like it has been said before, just leave things status quo and just say that the schism has already occurred de facto like in The Old Gods start date.
I don't think they'd lock sea raiding. After all, it's not even a Norse specific thing; any pagan with boats can raid via sea.
Perhaps, but I suggested it this way for gameplay and technical reasons, not historical or theological - at this date everyone "orthodox" is in ERE, and everyone "catholic" is outside of it, in western europe. This way its easy to determine who becomes orthodox (or "not catholic") - vassals of ERE, since player Basileus would have no reason to enact decision that converts entire Europe away from his religion. But my way around, Byzantium could have gameplay-wise good reason to separate from east, such as Charlemagne vassalizing Pope - they wouldn't want their precious bishopric taxes to go to Franks, you see... This way it could be relevant ingame decision, instead of simple flavour event that always happens after certain date: "schism happened. Pope is bummed", which would not need to actually implemented - just as its not implemented right now.
Schism happened defacto after Byzantines lost Rome for good around 756. Basileus was no longer able to control had Pope, who basically became independent ruler until Italians seized Rome in XIX century.
What if...
At start, all appropriate Christian faiths that eventually split into Catholic/Orthodox simply start as "Christian" (or whatever would be appropriate for the time).
Much like how the Orthodox faith has different Patriarchs for different regions, "Christian" will be sub-divided into similar Patriarch domains, with the majority of Western Europe falling under the Patriarch of Rome.
And then, the split. Either there's a MTTH to represent the ever-growing divide between East and West cultures, or certain player/AI actions can accelerate it (attack on Eastern Patriarchs? A "Split Score" that increases for every dishonorable act?). The Eastern Patriarchs remain as Patriarchs under the now-renamed Orthodoxy, whereas the Patriarch of Rome becomes independent and takes his followers into Catholicism.