So, is V2IP (or VIP2) in the works?

[unmerged(68110)]

Considering that magnificent bastard named OHGamer and the project he leads, I do not doubt that he has already drawn some plans for the sequel of the most loved mod of them all, VIP

I admit that seeing Africa all "grayed out" was quite an impulse for this thread, but what the hell. What are the plans for a new VIP? Anything has been done already?

 

[Alexander Seil]

I'm glad that Africa is grayed out. This is a game about colonialism, Africa is there for Great Powers to play ball in.

I'd only support more countries there if there were meaningful and distinct ways to interact with them (protectorates, sending arms, etc.). Otherwise it's just filler that gets in the way of imperialism.

 

[unmerged(56465)]

I'm glad that Africa is grayed out. This is a game about colonialism, Africa is there for Great Powers to play ball in.

I'd only support more countries there if there were meaningful and distinct ways to interact with them (protectorates, sending arms, etc.). Otherwise it's just filler that gets in the way of imperialism.

The 'terra null' system denies you the joy of actually sending your armies to machine gun the primitive rabble. Of course, when the Ethiopians would get gas by 1890, the VIP system often did too.

 

[OHgamer]

I'd only support more countries there if there were meaningful and distinct ways to interact with them (protectorates, sending arms, etc.). Otherwise it's just filler that gets in the way of imperialism.

If like EU3 modders can add more forms of government to the game and modify what things those governments can do with their societies, then there might be some really neat ways to model less developed traditional socities while retaining the overall context of the game.

Adding in tribal despotism and tribal federation from EU3 as forms of govt in V2 would I think go a long way in that regard.

 

[Orinsul]

theres a difference between people being there, and recognised states.
most of africa shouldnt be nations, not having anythign to do with the people who lived there, but how Britain would feel if France claimed that land.

And for some of us, there is alot more joy in sending charter companies in to build trade houses than arsing about with armies

While the VIP system solved a couple problems, it cause alot as well. its a jump from one extreme to the other.

 

[Garek Maxwell]

I don't think it was extreme at all... Bit inconvenient if you wanted to take a lot of land, but it seemed rather logical.

In Vic2, if Africa was full of nations you could easily push them into your sphere of influence just as future colonizers likely did. (I don't know enough about the time period, but it would make sense that there would be some strong British or French influence in the areas before they up and declared those areas as theirs.)

 

[Cinéad IV]

There's definitely a shortage of African nations if the screenie we saw is anything to go by.

Certainly we should have centralised kingdoms like Ashanti and Dahomey included, who put up a real fight against colonialists.

I'd also quite like to see the Lacustrine kingdoms in, now that we've got a more accurate map.

 

[King]

There's definitely a shortage of African nations if the screenie we saw is anything to go by.

this is why the European peoples must go to Africa and create nations. Take up Whiteman's burden the Victoria 2 maps needs you to do this.

 

[unmerged(164401)]

I do think there's a shortage of African nations if the screenie we saw is anything to go by.

Certainly we should have centralised kingdoms like Ashanti and Dahomey included.

agreed. i don't want Africa full of tribes. a little addition to what is present would suffice.

i personally want a mod full of country specific rebels.

 

[Lordmars]

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/kipling.html

yes must run the primitives lives after all they can not be trusted to do it for themselves now can they?

To quote Victoria Wood, 'the natives were just holding the land until the British arrived'

 

[Herbert West]

agreed. i don't want Africa full of tribes. a little addition to what is present would suffice.

i personally want a mod full of country specific rebels.

I fully suspect that Pdox is going to ad in those tribes that actually mattered in the Scramble, like the Zulu.

Most of the tribes were at best speedbumps.

 

[Cinéad IV]

this is why the European peoples must go to Africa and create nations. Take up Whiteman's burden the Victoria 2 maps needs you to do this.

The Africans had nations before the Whiteman took up his burden. They just didn't have Maxims

As far as the vanilla map goes, it's looking really good: but for V2IP I'd certainly want Swazis, Rwandas and Bornos to slow up an otherwise effortless colonisation scheme.

 

[OHgamer]

The Africans had nations before the Whiteman took up his burden. They just didn't have Maxims

As far as the vanilla map goes, it's looking really good: but for V2IP I'd certainly want Swazis, Rwandas and Bornos to slow up an otherwise effortless colonisation scheme.

All in good time, Cinead, all in good time.......

 

[Searry]

I never like the vanilla Victoria system. It was too uneventfull... VIP made colonialism great.

 

[RELee]

I never saw it as an either/or decision to make. I played vanilla Victoria off and on for several years before I took up the reins of VIP. Essentially, I learned the vanilla system well and then when that grew a bit tiresome, I tried the increased difficulty of the VIP system. It basically gave me two games for the price of one.

Increased difficulty is not exactly true. It was merely different, not more difficult. The game play had to be altered a bit is all.

Same experience with Southern Revolutions mod. It gave the game a different spin than the original had. Gave the girl some new life.

I expect to have a similar experience with v2. A nice long period of learning and enjoying the vanilla game, followed by another long period of mod-playing.

 

[Tormodius]

If like EU3 modders can add more forms of government to the game and modify what things those governments can do with their societies, then there might be some really neat ways to model less developed traditional socities while retaining the overall context of the game.

Ah, after I started playing Magna Mundi Platinum, I discovered that EU3 modders can take the game and create a whole new game with totally different rules and challenges! It's impressive the way it can be modded. I had no idea it was moddable in such a great way , but its actually becoming a new game too If the same moddability is in Vicky2 I suppose you will get your hands full!

 

[Colon]

I finally need to know... what's "vanilla"?

 

[RELee]

I finally need to know... what's "vanilla"?

It's the unmodified game as Paradox releases it, before users start making their changes.

 

[Samilou]

I finally need to know... what's "vanilla"?

The game as it is when left unmodded by people outside the official development team.

 

[telesien]

The game as it is when left unmodded by people outside the official development team.

Or something like this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanilla_sex But as it is often said where I come from: "Sex is for kids, adults drink booze."


And back to the topic: I would first like to see how are the african tribes represented and if they don't really oppose the colonization as units with weapons in hands, I would like to see african nations. Otherwise I am against it. Ability to just simply conquer any whole country or big chunks of it in a single war made colonization way too easy (EU1 v. EU2).