So, I started a game as 1792 Ottomans and USA formed Vermont

[Me_]

I wanted to check something about the Canal construction. Just a hands-off game at speed 5. I started the game in 1792 and

• USA formed Vermont
• there is 0 revolutionary zeal anywhere, even though France is Revolutionary
• events from eons past such as creation of Sale pirate republic happen
• something horryfing happened in Ichisi
• I can see ancient tribal borders of long-dead tribal nations all over North America

so much for "later start dates".

 

[Manwe_Sulimo]

This is known, later start dates are not supported anymore and it has been stated many many times.

 

[Me_]

This is known, later start dates are not supported anymore and it has been stated many many times.

Yah, I know, it's just... the scope of the madness... the insanity...

 

[Commonblob]

This is known, later start dates are not supported anymore and it has been stated many many times.

Some of the mentioned problems can be blamed on that, but the AI preferring Vermont over the USA is likely a problem independent of start date. IMO since end game tags are a thing the USA should be one. Either that or they should be banned from forming individual state tags. That makes no sense at all. One state would not be able to gain control of the entire Union without some kind of military struggle.

 

[Manwe_Sulimo]

Some of the mentioned problems can be blamed on that, but the AI preferring Vermont over the USA is likely a problem independent of start date. IMO since end game tags are are a thing the USA should be one. Either that or they should be banned from forming individual state tags. That makes no sense at all. One state would not be able to gain control of the entire Union without some kind of military struggle.

That is a valid point indeed. Or at least there should be a restriction in the formation decision that the USA can't form one of the constituent states.

And I assume Ichisi is a territory of the United States of Vermont and they are fighting the slavery issue all out there in Bleeding Ichisi.

 

[grotaclas]

Some of the mentioned problems can be blamed on that, but the AI preferring Vermont over the USA is likely a problem independent of start date. IMO since end game tags are are a thing the USA should be one. Either that or they should be banned from forming individual state tags. That makes no sense at all. One state would not be able to gain control of the entire Union without some kind of military struggle.

I think this is a start date issue,because it can't happen when starting in 1444. When starting on a date before the USA exists, they won't be able to form Vermont, because you can only form one of the Former colonial nations. But the flag which prevents forming another one of these nations after forming one of them, is not set for the USA in start dates in which it exists.

 

[Commonblob]

I think this is a start date issue,because it can't happen when starting in 1444. When starting on a date before the USA exists, they won't be able to form Vermont, because you can only form one of the Former colonial nations. But the flag which prevents forming another one of these nations after forming one of them, is not set for the USA in start dates in which it exists.

Fair enough. I stand corrected.

Seems like some of the problems with later start dates could be fixed so easily though, so it's a shame.

 

[hrsmp]

This is known, later start dates are not supported anymore and it has been stated many many times.

I don't think different start dates were ever "supported" in EU4 or even in EU3. Before 1.4/Conquest of Paradise France at some dates (early 1700s i think) had its capital in Ontario. The issue is more apparent now because a lot more mechanics were added, chaged or removed and added back multiple times, compared to EU3 lifetime.

 

[Kapitalisti]

I think there's a Bernie Sanders joke somewhere in here.

 

[lilunxm12]

Later start dates are basically abondoned long time ago, at least since they got rid of protectorates.

 

[John the John]

Devs support only a small part of the game at this point. Eu IV is being developed mostly by the community. If you want to play later start dates, play Extended timeline, Meiou and Taxes or Voltaire's nightmare. Extended timeline is basically the new vanilla.

 

[JaxElite]

I tgink it is quite irritating how we keep hearing "we cant remove paid content" in regards to expel minorities and just about everything leviathan but one of the absoulte core selling points of the vanilla game, which was one of the main marketing points ia not working at all.

Amd each time when that is pointed out some dev says "but our data shows tjat 98% of games are started in 1444!". No s*** sherlock the game doesn't work if you select any other date and hasn't worked for years, you are confusing cause and effect.

 

[regne_valencia]

Hope can play any date again in euV

 

[Ivashanko]

Hope can play any date again in euV

This almost certainty won't happen. I would put a lot of money on the Devs removing the different start dates for EU5.

 

[TeutonicTortoise]

97%+ of games are on 1444 and there atleast 20 other start dates so they'd need to go through them and adjust every nation systematically. It's possible and would be cool but time input vs output just isn't worth it vs other tasks devs have to do. Though I do love loading later startdates and fighting in historical wars (try winning the 7 years war as Prussia vs Austria, France and Russia.

No idea how they created CK2 because that can litterally be changed from day to day rather then bookmarks so must have took thousands of hours to just adjust all characters for all holdings, provs, dukes kings, emperors

 

[JaxElite]

97%+ of games are on 1444 and there atleast 20 other start dates so they'd need to go through them and adjust every nation systematically. It's possible and would be cool but time input vs output just isn't worth it vs other tasks devs have to do. Though I do love loading later startdates and fighting in historical wars (try winning the 7 years war as Prussia vs Austria, France and Russia.

No idea how they created CK2 because that can litterally be changed from day to day rather then bookmarks so must have took thousands of hours to just adjust all characters for all holdings, provs, dukes kings, emperors

EU4 can also be changed day to day. Also it isnt actually hard. Each province file has a list of events with a specific date attached like occupations and ownership changes as does each tag file indicating ruler, religion and alliance changes. Events can have a simple condition applied as do missions for being finished after a specific date

Every single higher quality mod has it for the full timeframe for each province or tag they changed. Of course it would be a monumental task to apply that to each province and tag that misses it but that is just a consequence of PDX neglecting this for years and simply something they have to own up.

 

[Me_]

97%+ of games are on 1444 and there atleast 20 other start dates

There's over 137 thousand start dates. About 137 thousand of them broken in some way. I'm pretty sure that over 99% of unmodded games start in 1444.

 

[Vin55]

its historical who whants to be known as US when one can be named Vermont.

 

[EarlKonrad]

I tgink it is quite irritating how we keep hearing "we cant remove paid content" in regards to expel minorities and just about everything leviathan but one of the absoulte core selling points of the vanilla game, which was one of the main marketing points ia not working at all.

Amd each time when that is pointed out some dev says "but our data shows tjat 98% of games are started in 1444!". No s*** sherlock the game doesn't work if you select any other date and hasn't worked for years, you are confusing cause and effect.

97%+ of games are on 1444 and there atleast 20 other start dates so they'd need to go through them and adjust every nation systematically. It's possible and would be cool but time input vs output just isn't worth it vs other tasks devs have to do. Though I do love loading later startdates and fighting in historical wars (try winning the 7 years war as Prussia vs Austria, France and Russia.

No idea how they created CK2 because that can litterally be changed from day to day rather then bookmarks so must have took thousands of hours to just adjust all characters for all holdings, provs, dukes kings, emperors

Many are the reasons why people play almost exclusively 1444. Achievements is certainly one of the reason, the other being how atrociously bad some of the dates are.

Really, when they say that the data they have shows that barely anyone plays a start date other than 1444 and that's because why they don't think maintaining the other dates is viable, they don't take into consideration how them not supporting them to begin with makes it a self fulfilling profecy.

 

[Poliut]

Vermont was able to peacefully secede from the Union in the 1790s. The Deep South, on the other hand, would face a much more difficult secession scenario.