So EU4 devs, will you return to the European Great Powers?

[Freudia]

I think Europe's theatre needs more attention from the developers than the rest of the world. The last DLC have all been about the Americas and Far East Asia. Actually, I know what I want. I want an overhaul of the naval battle system where the nation that has the most ships in a stack will always win a battle. See how that worked in the Franco-Dutch War of the second half of the 17th Century. The Franco-English fleet was overwhelming the Dutch one, still De Ruyter was able to thwart that threat with skillful maneuvering and a defensive stance. Naval battles should be a seasonal thing as they were in those times and they shouldn't result in total destruction. Ship capturing and destruction was not the norm in those days (if you consider the number of ships implicated in a battle versus what was left after a battle).

The problem with making ship battles not-total destruction is that then there's no decisive winners. Loser goes home, repairs at port, then comes right back out a year later and laughs in your face again.

 

[EMT0]

I think you guys see too much in what I wrote. I know China, Japan, the Maghreb, Mayans, Persia, India all had the knowledge of writing. I think historians and archeologist see too much into the quipu although it can be considered a primitive form of recording data. Anyhow. I do consider Western Europe as the most advanced civilization in the world starting in the 16th Century although it certainly lagged behind under certain considerations (hygiene, child treatment, etc.) I have an history master's degree which I got in 2013, and for hanging around the university post graduate crowd for half a decade I can safely say that Occidental self deprecation has pretty much been the thing in the last 40 years so my opinion might not be very popular.

Quipu is data recording. Not writing, but certainly number keeping. Primitive as in less efficient? Sure. But it got the job done, and from the manner in which the Inca could project power, it's clear it was effective. As for why modern Western historians are self-deprecating...the answer lays in the fact that they just went through the Victorian era and the WW2 era, the height of European power in the world and a near uninterrupted sequence of 'Europe is the shit' in written historical accounts. If they intend to break new grounds, they actively have to search out information, and this usually means non-European history, which then requires them to reevaluate past perceived knowledge of European dominance. It's the circle of academia after all.

But really. The rest of the world wasn't horribly outclassed by Europe until late in the EU time period, as hard as it is to believe.

I think Europe's theatre needs more attention from the developers than the rest of the world. The last DLC have all been about the Americas and Far East Asia. Actually, I know what I want. I want an overhaul of the naval battle system where the nation that has the most ships in a stack will always win a battle. See how that worked in the Franco-Dutch War of the second half of the 17th Century. The Franco-English fleet was overwhelming the Dutch one, still De Ruyter was able to thwart that threat with skillful maneuvering and a defensive stance. Naval battles should be a seasonal thing as they were in those times and they shouldn't result in total destruction. Ship capturing and destruction was not the norm in those days (if you consider the number of ships implicated in a battle versus what was left after a battle).

I do agree that Europe needs more attention. IMO with respect to dynastic and familial ties. I'd happily take that as the next DLC. I'm going to wholeheartedly disagree with you on 'Needs it more than the rest of the world'.

 

[VolitionNewlove]

I have an history master's degree which I got in 2013, and for hanging around the university post graduate crowd for half a decade I can safely say that Occidental self deprecation has pretty much been the thing in the last 40 years so my opinion might not be very popular.

Do you think it's a sense of Europeans not being proud enough of their nations and/or culture, or could it be a a sense of looking over things which had previously been taken as fact but do not hold up under scrutiny?

 

[Niptium]

I think it's mostly guilt-ridden (slavery, economical exploitation, etc) and the common relativism that plagues the university crowd. I think it's fine that we are taught to be critical. Yet, it's always directed against the sins of the Western developed world. The 19th Century and most of the 20th Century was bathed by Occidental self-indulgence, *wrongful* sense of entitlement. But that shipped has sailed and I do not feel responsible for my ancestors opinions, I sure don't feel guilty either of things that happened before I was born. It's also hard to judge harshly the Western world for embracing a democratic revolution after the 2nd World War with the progress of the rights of women, sexual minorities, etc.