So buggy ZoC is main issue of 1.14.. Any others?

[BrokenSky]

Graphical bugs which will be fixed pretty quickly, if your alliance is accidentally broken (e.g. by being called into war by allies vs allies of your ally, trust is basically wiped. Similarly if enemy demands to break treaties, trust is wiped and the AI immediately ignores the previous friendship. Not sure if WAD there.

Also RNW could use more tiles but eh~.

 

[happymix91]

There were several fort changes listed (captured forts, shared ZoC, affecting any country). The fact that I didn't expect all the consequences does not change that.

Funny, so if there were no mention about captured fort's gaining ZoC instead of lack of mention about changed ZoC working, you would click 'Disagree' to someone who point out captured fort's gaining ZoC.

Also, I think forts may even work as they "intended", but it's very unintuitive. We'll see what the devs say.

One of QA said that they will fix some issues with ZoC at Bug Reports.

 

[gdj]

The major nerf to all smaller countries is my main issue with The Cossacks. Great Powers are now much more boring to play, while small ones became rather frustrating. Granada anyone?

 

[FlicksZ]

Do not have Cossacks dlc but just playing an Otto game with RR and AOW enabled and could not walk out of Constantinople after attacking and stack wiping the enemy due to its fort. Had to enable my ships to transport some troops out of there or watch a 3k Athens half eclipsed me lol.

Also I can now transfer control of any province to any vassal even if they can not core it. Very misleading and can really muck up a peace deal.

Edit. I did delete my fort at the start but still not being able to exit the way I came in seems wrong.

 

[herdor]

An other issue with this patch/dlc:

After you generated a RNW you can´t load a Save Game in the lobby or change the start date or deactivate the RNW.
And in a game with RNW you can´t load any savegame, even a save from the same ongoing game.
It may be that this is designed to avoid problems, but it´s highly inconvienient if you have to restart every time you want to load or even before you start a game.

 

[raycharles5]

Yes, you can not pass away from their ZoC deeper into the country before sieging down the fort. This is intended behaviour according to the design.

Alright. Thank you for the response and help!

 

[Will Steel]

It seems Paradox has finally managed to implement fortification and castle-to-castle wars in the game.

It is all good until you realise that you must spend more on building and maintaining forts all along the border than having an actual army.

 

[qusack]

I have one problem with playing Oirat. I had a small army standing ready to DoW Korchin. Then suddenly Ming declared war against me. Now the army is stuck in my own country and cant move backwards to regroup with the main. Instead I have one choice. Go to the fort on Ming's side and siege it. Then wait for impending Ming army before my main force even can make it.

So the ZoC works on enemy territory? But the strange part is that all units being made outside the ZoC can run around in my own country freely. But units in ZoC at DoW or unit creation are stuck. Because they have no escape path or rather no path of entry and therefore are stuck in that ZoC forever until you take down that specific fort. I can comply that ZoC expands into other countries territories. But I don't comply being stuck because you can't run with the army away from ZoC because they where in the zone at the DoW.

This must be a bug?

Green: Fort.
LightBlue: Areas where the units only can move.
Red: The effected units.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Yes, you can not pass away from their ZoC deeper into the country before sieging down the fort. This is intended behaviour according to the design.

Is it also intended that you can't move into your own territory, away from a fort? After seeing this, I realized that if I timed a DoW I could literally trap armies from moving in their own territory using forts. While this turned out bad for me, understanding its nature suggests to me that I can time-DoW to abuse the hell out of it, especially against the AI:



I can't see how this functionality is viable. Knowing this, I could literally wait until an AI army is nearby, trap its armies, siege its capital/carpet non-forts, and it wouldn't be able to stop me until it gets rid of the fort. It can similarly be used to completely hose/block pieces of an alliance while you wipe/kick allies out of a war. If this is WAD, I don't think it should be, you can do some pretty broken actions with it.

 

[Liquid Sky]

No you can't. Get back to us after you try it.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

No you can't. Get back to us after you try it.

Seeing the bug reports, there is no question that it would work. The army shown literally can't go anywhere except onto the fort SE. If I can replicate the conditions under which this occurred (and I can), then unless the AI is under different ZoC rules than the player you can trap the AI, too.

 

[ChildeR]

Is it also intended that you can't move into your own territory, away from a fort? After seeing this, I realized that if I timed a DoW I could literally trap armies from moving in their own territory using forts.

Since forts no longer care about whose territory it is, doesn't that mean that if trapping in your territory is possible, trapping in theirs must be too?

I can't immediately think of a rule that would solve this other than returning to ZoC that *doesn't* extend in foreign territory – which may have been for the best...

 

[qusack]

Since forts no longer care about whose territory it is, doesn't that mean that if trapping in your territory is possible, trapping in theirs must be too?

I can't immediately think of a rule that would solve this other than returning to ZoC that *doesn't* extend in foreign territory – which may have been for the best...

One rule could be that the army gets in DoW one exit path in it own territory from that specific ZoC.

But sure if this is intended, but warn about a big change like that first. That units in DoW will be trapped forever. But I can't feel it will be quite abusive for players to use. Just build the best fort, Dow, then siege all you can while the AI/Player need to siege that lonely fort first. That will give you a headstart. Even worse if half of the army is trapped. Then you can target the other half instead and make it nearly impossible for the defending country.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Since forts no longer care about whose territory it is, doesn't that mean that if trapping in your territory is possible, trapping in theirs must be too?

I can't immediately think of a rule that would solve this other than returning to ZoC that *doesn't* extend in foreign territory – which may have been for the best...

Easiest hotfix would be to make fort ZoC apply to friendly and neutral territory, but not to enemy territory unless occupied.

That will give you a headstart. Even worse if half of the army is trapped. Then you can target the other half instead and make it nearly impossible for the defending country.

If ZoC'd, half an army wouldn't be able to retreat very far if you were to shatter it...

 

[KungDenzel]

I started a war with Ming as Mongolia, I got trapped by border forts so I couldnt even go back into my own country to save my capital. This needs to be addressed.

 

[Spartan10k]

Speaking about fort zones of control, has anyone encountered a bug where zones of control completely disappear? I was playing with a friend last night in MP, and on multiple occasions he and I could walk through enemy forts (which were manned) as if they weren't even there. However, later ZOC would kick in seemingly at random and function as it was intended (I think so anyway).

 

[qusack]

If ZoC'd, half an army wouldn't be able to retreat very far if you were to shatter it...

My army got intercepted in given screenshot and shattered to far far away. Until then they were trapped.

 

[Apollyonna]

if buggy ZOC is your main issue you must have a different version than me...

 

[TheMeInTeam]

if buggy ZOC is your main issue you must have a different version than me...

You can make a case for one or two other things, but this CAN be a game-breaker, quite easily.

 

[Apollyonna]

Really, I have one where my game crashes because of an event without a decision button and when the event finally disappears after several months, its game over... slightly worse than your ZOC issues