Small question about selling provinces to vassal

[caimen]

I think I'm on the right track here I just want to clarify since I'm playing ironman. I have recently formed Italy and I am still Catholic. I invaded Tripoli, took several provinces and created the vassal of Tunisia. I now have provinces in Algeria and would like to sell them to Tunisia. However it says they are different religion. It basically looks like they are all Sunni, but Tunisia's state religion is Catholic. I guess that happened since I created Tunisia instead of vassalizing them through war or diplomacy. So do I now need to convert the Algerian provinces to Catholic to sell them to Tunisia since Tunisia's state religion is Catholic?

 

[dstarsboy]

I am not quite sure what causes a newly released vassal's religion (if it's based on who their previous owner was, what they historically were, who released them, etc) but if they are Catholic you can simply convert the Algerian province really quick then sell it to them without any problems.

 

[caimen]

Yeah, I thought creating Tunisia as a vassal would keep them Sunni, but apparently they seem to inherit their state religion from the state that released the vassal. Even though all their provinces are Sunni. Oh well, at least no one suspects the Italian Inquisition. Thanks for the help.

 

[Rey]

There are several modifiers that influence the willingness of the other country to accept your offer. Culture, religion, price, over-extension, if they can core it... Sometimes they will accept it even if the religion is different. Otherwise you will need to convert it yourself (or wait for Sunni zealots to change Tunisia's religion).

 

[Incompetent]

Also not sure of the exact rules for vassal religion but I think it works like this: if the vassal's capital is a heretic (not heathen) religion, they spawn with that religion, otherwise they spawn with your religion. So you can create heretic vassals, but never heathen vassals.

You can still get vassals to buy wrong-religion provinces, as long as those provinces are in the right culture group.

 

[Schmoekoeksklok]

Also not sure of the exact rules for vassal religion but I think it works like this: if the vassal's capital is a heretic (not heathen) religion, they spawn as that religion, otherwise they spawn with your religion. So you can create heretic vassals, but never heathen vassals.

Well, now you can be sure, since those are the exact rules

 

[caimen]

Well, now you can be sure, since those are the exact rules

Good to know.

I'm only -5 from a yes so the religion is definitely the issue.

Thanks for the help everyone.

 

[unmerged(804580)]

The value of the province also plays a role. A vassal may not want to buy a low-tax wrong-culture and wrong-religion province, but if the base tax is really high, then they might.

In my Ethiopia game (Orthodox), Bohemia (Catholic-Czech) bought Pressburg (Protestant-Hungarian) while they didn't take anything else from Hungary. In my Tuscany game (Protestant), Syria (Protestant-Syrian) bought Adana (Sunni-Turkish) even in the middle of their doomed Westernization process. In both cases it seems like they wanted the highest-value province, though neither ever managed to core the said provinces.

 

[Incompetent]

The value of the province also plays a role. A vassal may not want to buy a low-tax wrong-culture and wrong-religion province, but if the base tax is really high, then they might.

In my Ethiopia game (Orthodox), Bohemia (Catholic-Czech) bought Pressburg (Protestant-Hungarian) while they didn't take anything else from Hungary. In my Tuscany game (Protestant), Syria (Protestant-Syrian) bought Adana (Sunni-Turkish) even in the middle of their doomed Westernization process. In both cases it seems like they wanted the highest-value province, though neither ever managed to core the said provinces.

In both cases, you're still selling them provinces of the right culture group. If the province is wrong religion and completely wrong culture, I don't know if your vassal will ever buy it.

 

[unmerged(804580)]

In both cases, you're still selling them provinces of the right culture group. If the province is wrong religion and completely wrong culture, I don't know if your vassal will ever buy it.

Aha! That explains a lot.

 

[StatikShocker]

they will. sell tangiers or ceuta to portugal, they'll take it. base tax can overcome all

 

[Stategem161803]

An important thing to know is that a vassal will never accept any more provinces after it hits 24% overextension (=6 cumulative base tax). However it will always accept a province (assuming same culture or religion) when it has any less than that. So, say you take 5, 1 base tax provinces and 1 8 base tax province. If you feed it the 8 base tax province first, it will not accept any others. However, if you sell it 5, 1 base tax provinces it will accept and still be under the threshold thus it will accept the 8 base tax province as well.

This extends to any other combination as well. 1 3 tax + 1 2 tax + 1 17 tax = accept (in that order).
1 6 tax + 1 1tax = reject second province due to overextension.

Plan accordingly.

 

[caimen]

An important thing to know is that a vassal will never accept any more provinces after it hits 24% overextension (=6 cumulative base tax). However it will always accept a province (assuming same culture or religion) when it has any less than that. So, say you take 5, 1 base tax provinces and 1 8 base tax province. If you feed it the 8 base tax province first, it will not accept any others. However, if you sell it 5, 1 base tax provinces it will accept and still be under the threshold thus it will accept the 8 base tax province as well.

This extends to any other combination as well. 1 3 tax + 1 2 tax + 1 17 tax = accept (in that order).
1 6 tax + 1 1tax = reject second province due to overextension.

Plan accordingly.

This is some great information. Thanks.