I recently discovered that Austrian are considered germenised Slavs. I am very interested about knowing more about this historic conversion and how it happened.
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I am not sure about the Austrians but I am sure that is was true for the East Prussians.
First of all , AFAIK Prussians werent Slavs, they were baltic people (like Latvians and Lithuanians)
Most of them were eliminated (read: killed) by Teutonic Order in the name of the Christianity. (they were Pagans)
Only survivors were germanized.
Btw:
Teutonic Order was invited by Polish Prince of Masovia in order to convert them to Christianity.
Where did you get this from? There were undoubtedly a few slavs in the region who were germanized by the new inhabitants, but not Austrians as a whole.
IMHO, Austrians do not consider themselves germanised Slavs, however there is an obvious difference between Austrians living in Vienna and the rest of the country as far as their ancestry is concerned. A great deal of ppl living in Vienna have Czech, Slovak, Sloven, Croat, and Hungarian, etc.. ancesters who moved to the old capitol of the Empire in the late XVIII. century and after that, as it was the politic, economic, and the cultural center of the Empire. The easiest way to verify this is to open up a phone-book of Vienna and to scroll through the pages. You will find plenty of Family names that back this argument.
I recently attended a conference where the former Vice-Chancellor of Austria Dr. Erhard Buzek held a speech. At the end he told a funny (but true) story, which might give You an idea about the ethnic situation of the Central EU region here. He remarked that a couple of years ago they (the Austrian Government) held a bilateral meeting with they Czech counterpart, where one delegation was lead by Mr. Vranitzky and Mr. Buzek, whereas the other by Mr. Klaus and Mr. Dienstbier. Surprisingly enough the first was the Austrian and the second one the Czech, although jugding strictly by their names one would have been convinced that it was the opposite situation.
so Attila,
maybe the Austro-Hungarian Empire (democratic and 'Triad' in nature as proposed in 1918) was not a bad idea after all.
many lives and communities would have been spared, dont you think so?
maybe the Austro-Hungarian Empire (democratic and 'Triad' in nature as proposed in 1918) was not a bad idea after all.
many lives and communities would have been spared, dont you think so?
Originally posted by Alzate
so Attila,
maybe the Austro-Hungarian Empire (democratic and 'Triad' in nature as proposed in 1918) was not a bad idea after all.
many lives and communities would have been spared, dont you think so?
You know Alzate, this is a very difficoult question, thus I do not want to answer You in a simply yes or no. There are obviously two sides to each story, thus I understand that things that were praised by certain groups of ppl (back than in the Monarchy) were condemned by another group. Thus, the Monarchy was far from being a perfect place to live in, however in general its major result (in my view) was that it provided for a sense of stability in a region that is very much unstable even today.
But to give You an answer, I personally think that many things could have been spared here in Central Europe if the Monarchy were to survive the first World War, AND if it had undergone some major reforms. I beleive that if these things had been achieved we probably would not have witnessed the second world war, the ethnic cleansings after 1990, and I think that ppl in general (here in this region) would probably be more tolerant to each other than today.
There are some historians who indeed do draw a parallel between the Monarchy than and the EU of today, being a means of uniting different groups of ppl, talents, resources based on a common set of values and identity. Thus in many ways it was ahead of its time I guess.
There were some slavic tribes on the lands now known as Austria long ago (VII-Xcen.) but only small number of them mixed with german colonists. Majority was killed or moved east just like in central Germany (Brandenburg, £aba River).