Really, man , you are arguing with yourself. Read all my posts and you'll see I never said both are comparable, nor I tried to say they are on the same level.
Let me quote you, shall I?
You see, you never said physical violence. You should know that violence doesn't have to be physical. Your description is exactly what propaganda aims to do: It's violent, wants to suppress your liberty with violence and intimidation, to coerce your labor and make you become an slave of what they are trying to sell to you.
Here you are equivocating the definition of violence. Within the given context, "extreme violence" has a clear definition and is a reference to the sorts of examples I have repeatedly given: being whipped because of unsatisfactory work, being murdered on the whim of a master, and being forcibly coerced into labor. So yes, you did try to compare verbal abuse with physical violence, and you did equivocate quite clearly.
I even explicitly said actual slavery is a horror.
Irrelevant. As long as you keep comparing yourself to a slave, you downplay the actual meaning of slave and the inherent brutality, horror, and trauma therein. It's like you calling yourself a rape victim because you saw some naughty thing on television that you didn't want to see - sorry, but that is in no way parallel to being subjected to that sort of trauma and saying that it is insults rape victims just like your calling yourself and others who enjoy your level of affluence "slaves" insults and degrades the horror of
actual slaves.
But you keep going back with those moral arguments over and over. What I did was criticize your behavior of imputing an intention that guy didn't have and that, unconsciously, you gave an explanation that could fortify his post.
Wrong yet again. He said: "It's still a handful of people running our lives. We're still slaves" which is very clearly equating the affluent, largely violence free lifestyle most first world citizens enjoy with the sort of slavery that has been discussed throughout this thread - that is, violent dehumanization and forcible coercion of labor. The two are not even remotely similar.
And am I the one with problem understanding english?
Yes. I cannot be more clear about this. You have failed in basic comprehension and perpetrated a number of fallacies in your pursuit of this ridiculous goal of equating yourself with slaves and downplaying the horror therein.
Wait a bit, calm down, take a shower and read it all over again. You are, i repeat, arguing with yourself, saying a lot of things I agree, thinking you have a contra-argument against me.
If you agree that you are in no way similar to a slave, that the person to whom I originally responded was completely wrong in making that equivalence, and that you have failed to comprehend what was said, then you agree with what I am saying. If you do not agree with the core of my argument, then I am by no means arguing with myself.
Funny, you are the english speaker and yet the one with problems in comprehending our discussion.
Yes, I am an English speaker and I'm telling you that you do not understand the language as well as you think you do, and that you have used several equivocations and failed to detect contextually relevant pieces of information, possibly because of your lack of understanding. If you have not failed in that regard, then I cannot lend you the benefit of the doubt and must fall back to my original suspicion that you are either a fool or a troll.
What you can critize in my english is orthography, or maybe grammar, which is different than text interpretation.
No, you've failed consistently to understand what people are saying. I have not corrected your grammar once, I have corrected your spelling numerous times.
The simple fact that you take time to write those long answers to me testify you do know I can comprehend english very well.
It takes about 2 seconds to say something completely stupid. It can take an hour to disprove or demonstrate the stupidity of what you say. For instance, provide evidence and an argument sufficient to disprove this mythical misconception in less time than it takes to express it: "The earth is flat." With exactly 4 words, you can't provide evidence
and an argument. Likewise, even though what your saying is largely nonsensical and your arguments are clearly invalid, it takes time to respond to what little merits attention. I also practice argumentation wherein the "best favorable interpretation" is used, meaning that I give you more credit than you demonstrate and translate what you say in a way that makes the best argument. That does not make you an effective communicator, or an authority on the use of language. Remember,
yours is a semantic argument which by necessity equates "extreme violence" with - and this is your word - "propaganda." Why are you making semantic arguments in a language that is not within your mastery?
