slavery

[djconklin]

1) Playing as the Russians, starting in 1716. An event fires that says that the Prussians have abolished slavery in like 1718. I looked to find the exact date for this post and found that the correct date was in 1807. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_abolition_of_slavery_and_serfdom for other countries.

2) It would have been nice to allow other countries to also abolish slavery at the same time.

3) I suppose that there's no way for me to fix the date without screwing up the checksum, right?

 

[wielkiciensteam]

3) I suppose that there's no way for me to fix the date without screwing up the checksum, right?

changing event localization won't break checksum afaik. There even was a mod some time ago which corrected spelling errors in events and it was achievement compatible.

 

[TeutonicTortoise]

Isnt that event just there to plummet the price of slaves not meant to impact that specific country? This stuff needs to be in broadly the same time period to actually affect the game but not be too late to be meaningless. Like how you can be revolutionary much earlier then the beginning of the French revolution started kicking off.

 

[hegel68]

Just two remarks and a conclusion:

1. Serfdom isn't slavery. Serfdom was indeed abolished in Prussia in 1807, but this has nothing to do with slavery.

2. There wasn't any slavery in the HRE since the early Middle Ages (only exceptions were some very rare cases of 'Kammermohren' in the 17th and 18th century, whom you might consider as something like "de facto" slaves, but even they didn't officially have the status of slaves: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kammermohr).
The Sachsenspiegel, which was in use in Prussia until the late 18th century, had already condemned slavery in 1230. And even in 1230, slavery had already ceased to exist in the HRE for more than 200 years

So, an event, according to which Prussia abolishes slavery in the early 18th century doesn't make any sense.

EDIT: Now, I get to which historical event the in-game event might refer: Brandenburg-Prussia had tried to participate in the transatlantic slave trade between 1682 and 1717, but their trade company in West Africa didn't flourish and therefore they already sold it to the Dutch in 1717. That's probably the historical reference.

 

[Battlex]

1) Playing as the Russians, starting in 1716. An event fires that says that the Prussians have abolished slavery in like 1718. I looked to find the exact date for this post and found that the correct date was in 1807. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_abolition_of_slavery_and_serfdom for other countries.

2) It would have been nice to allow other countries to also abolish slavery at the same time.

3) I suppose that there's no way for me to fix the date without screwing up the checksum, right?

Likely just the AI taking this decision

List of decision lists - Europa Universalis 4 Wiki

eu4.paradoxwikis.com

 

[djconklin]

1. Serfdom isn't slavery. Serfdom was indeed abolished in Prussia in 1807, but this has nothing to do with slavery.

I simply reported what the event said. I'm not interested in these technical details. Battlex's post seems to be correct on why this event fired.

OTOH, thanks for all the info--too bad you didn't write the event. On some events, I've learned things I never even heard of!

 

[djconklin]

Likely just the AI taking this decision

List of decision lists - Europa Universalis 4 Wiki

eu4.paradoxwikis.com

That seems likely. I looked for a country specific event for Prussia to abolish slavery and didn't find anything.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

changing event localization won't break checksum afaik. There even was a mod some time ago which corrected spelling errors in events and it was achievement compatible.

Ah, the old event text classic:

"You can never have too much slaves"

Wrong on so many levels lol. I forget the exact requirements for abolition, but in principle couldn't it have been way sooner depending on the context of the nation engaging in the trade?

 

[klingonadmiral]

I forget the exact requirements for abolition,

Age of Revolutions, country with Admin Tech of at least 15, at least 1 province producing slaves, a ruler with an administrative skill of at least 3 and less than 2% OE to take the Abolition of Slavery decision.

1 month ater the first country takes the decision, the Abolitionism event will fire.

 

[Battlex]

Age of Revolutions, country with Admin Tech of at least 15, at least 1 province producing slaves, a ruler with an administrative skill of at least 3 and less than 2% OE to take the Abolition of Slavery decision.

1 month ater the first country takes the decision, the Abolitionism event will fire.

Real shame how abolitionism drops prices so suddenly, especially if its the Ottomans doing it with their single slave province

 

[Herr B.]

1. Serfdom isn't slavery. Serfdom was indeed abolished in Prussia in 1807, but this has nothing to do with slavery.

This is technically true, but can be misleading if left without context: In serfdom, the peasants (serfs) were bond to the land they lived on, they were under the jurisdiction of their nobel overlord and had to pay him rent and sometimes work for him (without payment). They were not allowed to leave the land without permission, however this was often eased by the laws of cities (citizens of cities could not be forced to return after one or two years, effectivly setting them free).

In total, while serfdom was a milder than slavery, I would still consider it slavery-alike.

 

[Battlex]

This is technically true, but can be misleading if left without context: In serfdom, the peasants (serfs) were bond to the land they lived on, they were under the jurisdiction of their nobel overlord and had to pay him rent and sometimes work for him (without payment). They were not allowed to leave the land without permission, however this was often eased by the laws of cities (citizens of cities could not be forced to return after one or two years, effectivly setting them free).

In total, while serfdom was a milder than slavery, I would still consider it slavery-alike.

Serfdom existed for millenia and various forms in various localities, you shouldn't paint with such broad brushes

 

[EarlKonrad]

Real shame how abolitionism drops prices so suddenly, especially if its the Ottomans doing it with their single slave province

I remember someone doing the math a while ago and concluding that abolition usually runs ends up making you more money than if you were to keep producing slaves. And that isn't taking into account that you can start producing gold in ex-slave provinces.

 

[Battlex]

I remember someone doing the math a while ago and concluding that abolition usually runs ends up making you more money than if you were to keep producing slaves. And that isn't taking into account that you can start producing gold in ex-slave provinces.

Won't they be trade company provinces? And only Southern Africa gets gold from slaves iirc

 

[EarlKonrad]

Won't they be trade company provinces? And only Southern Africa gets gold from slaves iirc

Hence the increase in ducats generated. Slaves are a mediocre trade good whose trade in bonuses is good if you are a big colonizers but even then it isn't the best. All the alternative trade goods are much, much better (Incense, Wood, Gems, Ivory, Gold).

 

[Battlex]

Hence the increase in ducats generated. Slaves are a mediocre trade good whose trade in bonuses is good if you are a big colonizers but even then it isn't the best. All the alternative trade goods are much, much better (Incense, Wood, Gems, Ivory, Gold).

The trade company part meant referring to gold appearing in former slave provinces, so you'd only get 10% dev of them. Obvs for other trade goods trade company is fine and dandy

 

[hegel68]

Serfdom existed for millenia and various forms in various localities, you shouldn't paint with such broad brushes

Exactly. There were very harsh forms of serfdom and very mild ones too. Especially in many parts Western Europe, including most of the western and southern parts of Germany, it already had become something that looked more like a modern day tax than like slavery by the end of the Middle Ages.
Some years ago, I read something about serfdom in Bavaria around 1500 and by then, "serfdom" had already turned into a comparatively moderate tax of between 5 and 20% of the peasant's income, if I remember correctly.

Germany got a backlash in that development during the Great Peasant's War and - generally speaking (there were always exceptions to the rule) - the more you got to the eastern parts of Europe, the more similarities to slavery existed during certain periods. But in Western Europe, it was usually rather mild during the early modern period, in which EUIV is set.

 

[makaramus]

Real shame how abolitionism drops prices so suddenly, especially if its the Ottomans doing it with their single slave province

it kinda makes sense as its spreading new way of thinking saying: "hey... do we... really need slaves?"