Slavery: sustainable till end of the game?

[seattle]

One thing that always bothered me in Vicky1 was that similar to Civilization it all came down to "despotism -> democracy" or "conservative -> liberal" at the end of the game. In order to be successful you'd had to follow that path. That's why I want to try something different. Just like in Tropico1 where I established religious dictatorships based on agriculture, I want to go for the ass backwards approach.

In my first Vicky2 game I'd like to simulate a Pol Pot kind of stone-age communism. A system where I suppress my citizens and enslave as many as possible and completely fubar that nation. My questions:

1. What country is best for that experiment? (I think Brazil might do the trick)
2. Will it be possible to sustain such system until 1936? Will it be possible to keep consciousness low enough?
3. How would I best approach this plan?

 

[Tommy4ever]

I think already primitive states like the Ottoman Empire and Russia might be able to do this although they are pretty large and you'll have to deal with revolts.

One thing I've seen a few people say is that by keeping poor tax at 100% consciousness stays low. Obvioulsy pick the right choices in events and maintains a huge army (to keep down the inevitable revolts).

I think it might also be easier to have your backward state if you have a small amount of urban pops (craftsmen and clerks) although I'm not entirely sure about that.

Keep your tariffs very high so your artisans can produce without competition from the RotW's factories.

 

[seattle]

poor tax at 100% consciousness stays low
right choices in events
maintains a huge army (to keep down the inevitable revolts).
small amount of urban pops (craftsmen and clerks)
Keep your tariffs very high so your artisans can produce without competition

Fantastic, thanks a lot. I wonder if it's possible to establish slavery in a country that doesn't start with it. Anyways, download is complete. Next step registering and then find something to occupy my wife with...

I'll probably write a brief AAR about the experiment later. Plan is to rise and fall similar to Pol Pot.

 

[Scorpi]

Brazil is already a slave state, so that should be good to go.. Another way to go slavery, I think, is to promote reaktionairs...

 

[Andrelvis]

One thing that always bothered me in Vicky1 was that similar to Civilization it all came down to "despotism -> democracy" or "conservative -> liberal" at the end of the game. In order to be successful you'd had to follow that path. That's why I want to try something different. Just like in Tropico1 where I established religious dictatorships based on agriculture, I want to go for the ass backwards approach.

In my first Vicky2 game I'd like to simulate a Pol Pot kind of stone-age communism. A system where I suppress my citizens and enslave as many as possible and completely fubar that nation. My questions:

1. What country is best for that experiment? (I think Brazil might do the trick)
2. Will it be possible to sustain such system until 1936? Will it be possible to keep consciousness low enough?
3. How would I best approach this plan?

Hmm, the ideology that should support slavery continuing is liberal, as the defenders of slavery in Brazil for example, were staunch liberals, who argued that the slaves were their property and as such, the State had no right to interfere with them.

 

[BonSequitur]

In my experience playing as Brazil, you're going to be seeing liberals much sooner and more veehemently than the US does, actually. Brazil has a viable liberal party from the start, for example. You can try to get reactionaries in the upper house and revert some reforms, turning the country into an absolute monarchy.

You probably wouldn't do very well at all with any slavery approach - keeping slavery a nonissue means low CON, means low plurality, means almost no research, and you'll be cutting into your production capability pretty harshly.

 

[Peter Ebbesen]

1. What country is best for that experiment? (I think Brazil might do the trick)

Korea.

You have got slaves, abysmally low literacy, and a big population for your size. Assuming that you don't pick a fight with China or Russia, it should be smooth sailing.

Several states in Indochina make good choices too, but there are more predators in the neighbourhood and none of the Indochinese minors are nearly as strong as Korea. OTOH, your chance of being put comfortably in the UKs SOI, which is one of the safest places to be for a truly minor nation, are much greater in Indochina so Siam might actually be better than Korea if you are fine with losing your independence.

Of course, if you really get your jollies from emulating Pol Pot, why not play Cambodia?

 

[seattle]

Korea and Indonesian minors. Never thought about that. Ideally I'd like to be somewhere important (Europe's best obviously) to be an active part of history. Some remote island is not ideal.

I tried Papal States, but didn't achieve anything. No slavery possible, too many liberals and conservatives. With only 14% reactionaries I couldn't do anything evil. Will try another country later.

Currently tending towards Korea as Brazil, Ottoman and Russia are extremely large and hard to manage.