Sisu!! Prepering Filand to face the red beast!

[Mamluke]

So after watching the latest WWW with Finland, makes me want to play as then for my 1st HOIIV game.
So my plan goes like this:

I will fallow the dev in the 1st steps, building Industry, setting up production lines to rack up efficiency, etc.
Mostly an historical course, except I will play to win the winter war. its also a great game to learn defensive warfare.

So, when it comes to the army, I will add a recon company to everyone, since it gives all-round bonuses.
And I will try to build forts up to level 5-6 at the border in the Korelian isthmus, while building level 10 forts on the provinces behind. my thinking here is that, I don't know exactly when the SOV Dow comes, so in order to avoid being at Full mobilization all the time, I simply use those provinces as a buffer, while the provinces behind are the real (no step back!!) it be interesting to see how effective level 5 vs level 10 forts.
ALSO, will design a small division, like 1 infantry brigade + recon company to protect Vipuri. And the other coastal provinces, the SOV AI has ALOT of divisions to play with, can't be too safe
Also try to build forts in the other borders, need to see the game if its industrially feasible.

NOW for the offensive part!!
So I create a new infantry template, in this one I will add one arty company and one engineer.
This will be my assault divisions, will try to build at least 4, and if I can get tanks from Germany, will try to get my Cav. Divisions one tank brigade.

I Will research ONLY fighters planes, to defend my troops and my nation.

And that is it for today, to much speculation to plan more head. At least for me

So, what do you guys think? what will be YOUR strategies for great Finland?

 

[Loke]

Go Finland!

 

[krieger11b]

So you plan on counter attacking the Soviet Hordes on level 5 forts you build just to retreat from? Sounds like the Denmark in the second Danish-Prussian War.

 

[Mamluke]

So you plan on counter attacking the Soviet Hordes on level 5 forts you build just to retreat from? Sounds like the Denmark in the second Danish-Prussian War.

Good point, you make my strategy sound dumb putting it like that
maybe forts get damage!? I think they did in HOI3, so it would be interesting to see how effective counter attacking tired Russian decisions in damaged forts.

 

[krieger11b]

Good point, you make my strategy sound dumb putting it like that
maybe forts get damage!? I think they did in HOI3, so it would be interesting to see how effective counter attacking tired Russian decisions in damaged forts.

Good question, I mean if forts had a direction like we have asked since HOI 1 then it would make more sense do what you are saying. Especially if the level 10 forts covered a smaller area. It would also give you the ability more readily send your reserves where needed and still be protected if you lost a level 5 fort.

Unfortunately forts defend the same in every direction, I imagine it would be hard to code them with the map system they have, then calculate based on how many provinces they cover and the fact it's not a grid system so it would be too cheap for some forts and too expensive on others.

As for repairing forts we don't know province repair mechanics yet.

Having just level 10 forts along Vyborg and some lower level ones along Karelia would help. Investing in just fighters makes sense, we will see if research makes more sense then buying the latest fighters when we know the game mechanics better. Plus how much event/historical related help will come. No one in the West wanted to see Finland fall.

 

[mdw1985]

Good question, I mean if forts had a direction like we have asked since HOI 1 then it would make more sense do what you are saying. Especially if the level 10 forts covered a smaller area. It would also give you the ability more readily send your reserves where needed and still be protected if you lost a level 5 fort.

Unfortunately forts defend the same in every direction, I imagine it would be hard to code them with the map system they have, then calculate based on how many provinces they cover and the fact it's not a grid system so it would be too cheap for some forts and too expensive on others.

As for repairing forts we don't know province repair mechanics yet.

Having just level 10 forts along Vyborg and some lower level ones along Karelia would help. Investing in just fighters makes sense, we will see if research makes more sense then buying the latest fighters when we know the game mechanics better. Plus how much event/historical related help will come. No one in the West wanted to see Finland fall.

Fighters are far more cheaper compared to strategic bombers as well. With the capacitiy of possible military factories given, it is the only possibility in creating a decent air force. I wouldn't go for heavy ships either. Trade interdiction with subs would suit Finland way better...

 

[Damiani]

Is it possible to build multiple level 10 forts in five or so years with Finland's starting Civilian Factories? I know in HOI3 that that would be implausible, but then again if you dedicate your entire Civilian Factory base into the job it may be possible.

 

[Mamluke]

Is it possible to build multiple level 10 forts in five or so years with Finland's starting Civilian Factories? I know in HOI3 that that would be implausible, but then again if you dedicate your entire Civilian Factory base into the job it may be possible.

Based on the WWW video, the dev did in fact built level one forts in all border provinces(except Norway/Sweden), which is about 14-16 provinces, from the video, it seams forts are built in phases, first is the level 1, then builds the level 2 then level 3, etc.
I think he could build at least 2 forts at the same time, so building say a level 10 fort might be more about time then industrial might.
AND there is also the other question, do we use Civilian OR military factories to construct forts?

Could a someone\Dev confirm this? Also what is the base time to construct forts?

 

[Caesar15]

AND there is also the other question, do we use Civilian OR military factories to construct forts?

Could a someone\Dev confirm this? Also what is the base time to construct forts?

Civilian factories do.

As for your strategy. I don't know how much of an offense you can do, although if you're officially teaming up with Germany you might be able to snag some armor lend lease or expeditionary forces. If you get those then you'd have a much better chance at doing something to the Soviets. Taking Leningrad will be hard but if Germany gets close you could support them to a point that they can take the city.

 

[Evan05]

Only go on the Offensive when Germany has started Operation Barbarossa and Germany has gotten close to Leningrad.

And that's assuming you joined the Axis.

 

[Mamluke]

Ok well, when I said, "if I can get thanks from Germany" I'm only talking land-less here, I'm mostly concerning with the winter war.
if Germany goes Molotov-Ribbentrop pack, I assume the AI can't (mayyybe it's just won't but I assume it can't) help me in any way, less it pisses of the soviets and ends treaties and trade, etc.

With that said, if I can actually hold the ride tide, you guys think there can be a "white peace" since its effectively a stale mate?
In history, the initial SOV offensive either failed brutally or was repulsed by a small effective finish counter attack, however in the final days of the war, the SOV actually were braking through in the Korelian isthmus, thanks to better tactics and out-flaking bc of the navy and Ice. The Russians actually capture Viipuri and the Finnish were deserting. The problem is the SOV took to long and the world was paying attention, last thing Stalin wanted was more Isolation and bad rap. from that fiasco

here's a battlefield documentary about the winter war, I recommend.

ok so my question is: if Finland in game gets an ACTUALL stalemate, should the game force a peace?, should that decision be entirely up to the soviets?
tell me what you think!!

 

[Loke]

Ok well, when I said, "if I can get thanks from Germany" I'm only talking land-less here, I'm mostly concerning with the winter war.
if Germany goes Molotov-Ribbentrop pack, I assume the AI can't (mayyybe it's just won't but I assume it can't) help me in any way, less it pisses of the soviets and ends treaties and trade, etc.

With that said, if I can actually hold the ride tide, you guys think there can be a "white peace" since its effectively a stale mate?
In history, the initial SOV offensive either failed brutally or was repulsed by a small effective finish counter attack, however in the final days of the war, the SOV actually were braking through in the Korelian isthmus, thanks to better tactics and out-flaking bc of the navy and Ice. The Russians actually capture Viipuri and the Finnish were deserting. The problem is the SOV took to long and the world was paying attention, last thing Stalin wanted was more Isolation and bad rap. from that fiasco

here's a battlefield documentary about the winter war, I recommend.

ok so my question is: if Finland in game gets an ACTUALL stalemate, should the game force a peace?, should that decision be entirely up to the soviets?
tell me what you think!!

There will probably be a pop up with choices;

#1 ask for Swedish aid. 90% chance of success
#2 ask for Swedish military aid. 75% chance of success
#3 ask for Swedish military intervention(going all in on the Finnish side) 50% chance of success.

 

[Dralshyar]

There's quite a lot of room to maneuver along the eastern Finnish-Soviet border. IMO fortifying up along the southern land bridge, and investing the industrial capacity elsewhere that it would take to max out forts on the eastern border might be a better investment.

With Swedish intervention, good defensive stalling until Barbarossa, an a push for Murmansk & Leningrad would make the Eastern Front look very interesting.

 

[Denkt]

Greed can lead to defeat so be careful.

 

[Mamluke]

There will probably be a pop up with choices;

#1 ask for Swedish aid. 90% chance of success
#2 ask for Swedish military aid. 75% chance of success
#3 ask for Swedish military intervention(going all in on the Finnish side) 50% chance of success.

Swedish Intervention : 50% chance? that´s very optimistic hum?

Greed can lead to defeat so be careful.

hehe. good advise, the small [insert Finnish national animal here] vs the big Red bear. will be the greatest test for Finnish Might

 

[Loke]

Flip a coin...

 

[sgt.stickybomb]

How to prepare Finland for the Winter War.
Step 1 Turn off military AI
Step 2 Turn Finland fascist and start the war
Step 3 Profit, and live stream the game on twitch.

 

[Mamluke]

How to prepare Finland for the Winter War.
Step 1 Turn off military AI
Step 2 Turn Finland fascist and start the war
Step 3 Profit, and live stream the game on twitch.

puff, what I´m I?! a scrub?
its either full chalange or nothing at all!

 

[griffor]

i am curious if a player could mange to win the winter war staying neutral with the world

 

[Opanashc]

As Finland, you can stop SU in the short run. If the war drags on, SU will exhaust you, even with unfavorable loss ratio.