Sinicizing challenge

[DominusNovus]

I just had the idea for an obnoxious challenge: get as many different cultures to be sinicized as possible. So, basically, in a given play through, get as many other eligible nations (Korea, Manchu, Mongolia, Dai Viet, Tibet) to claim the Mandate of Heaven.

How would you go about doing this? I imagine you’d pick one of those nations (because of course you want to take advantage of this yourself) and then ally with one of the others, against Ming, and just sorta go to town in wars, giving your ally enough benefits to take the Mandate themselves - but not so much that you can’t cripple them the moment they’ve sinicized.

 

[AvengedK1ng]

Manchu you just vassal feed and release, tibet you just vassal feed tibet i think, korea and viet need emperor iirc

 

[rayyuri]

The easiest way is to start as Korea, conquer Manchuria, then claim Mandate of Heaven. Sinicize Korean. Culture switch to Jurchen, then form Manchu you get Manchu sinicized. Take Mongol lands, Tibetan lands and Dai Viet lands, culture switch to Tibetan, form Tibet and sinicize Tibetan. Then culture switch to Vietnamese and sinicize Vietnamese. Finally, you culture switch to Mongol or Oriat and Form Yuan to finish your job.

Remember that Korean, Vietnamese and Tibetan sinicization decision is based on your primary culture but not tag, so you don't need to form the corresponding nation to do the job. The only thing is Manchu cannot form Yuan directly, so you need to form an intermediate tag (Tibet, Shan, Siam or Dai Viet) before you reform Yuan.

 

[necro84]

I would use option "play as released subject". When you take the Mandate conquer next country you want to sinicize. Create as much vassals as possible or use return province to weaken your current nation, release your new nation, get independance and claim Mandate.
The easiest would be to start as Ming, you can destroy your nation without forcing Mingplosion by war. If you don't want to start as Ming I think Oirat, Jianzhou and Korea are the easiest (in that order)

 

[DominusNovus]

The easiest way is to start as Korea, conquer Manchuria, then claim Mandate of Heaven. Sinicize Korean. Culture switch to Jurchen, then form Manchu you get Manchu sinicized. Take Mongol lands, Tibetan lands and Dai Viet lands, culture switch to Tibetan, form Tibet and sinicize Tibetan. Then culture switch to Vietnamese and sinicize Vietnamese. Finally, you culture switch to Mongol or Oriat and Form Yuan to finish your job.

Remember that Korean, Vietnamese and Tibetan sinicization decision is based on your primary culture but not tag, so you don't need to form the corresponding nation to do the job. The only thing is Manchu cannot form Yuan directly, so you need to form an intermediate tag (Tibet, Shan, Siam or Dai Viet) before you reform Yuan.

Oh. Well, that makes the challenge a lot easier…

 

[holyvigil]

Here's a thread on it if you want more discussion.

https://www.reddit.com/r/eu4/comments/t6rcc4

 

[DominusNovus]

Here's a thread on it if you want more discussion.

https://www.reddit.com/r/eu4/comments/t6rcc4

I'm simultaneously impressed and annoyed it wasn't my idea first. Oh well.

Just to keep the conversation going, how would we rank the various national ideas involved? Korea's are pretty solid as a start.

 

[rayyuri]

I'm simultaneously impressed and annoyed it wasn't my idea first. Oh well.

Just to keep the conversation going, how would we rank the various national ideas involved? Korea's are pretty solid as a start.

The easiest way as a skilled player is to start as Oriat, you can defeat Ming in the very beginning using the Tumu Crisis event. Switch to Jurchen first and form Manchu to get your first sinicization, and then others at your liking. Finally you switch back to Oriat culture form Yuan to complete. All of these can be done before 1500.

For most people I guess Korea is the an easily-managed starting point.

 

[holyvigil]

The easiest way as a skilled player is to start as Oriat, you can defeat Ming in the very beginning using the Tumu Crisis event. Switch to Jurchen first and form Manchu to get your first sinicization, and then others at your liking. Finally you switch back to Oriat culture form Yuan to complete. All of these can be done before 1500.

For most people I guess Korea is the an easily-managed starting point.

You can't form Korea. It's a lot more difficult as Oirat because ai guiding is frustrating. You may not be able to force them to claim the mandate.

 

[Don_Quigleone]

I'm simultaneously impressed and annoyed it wasn't my idea first. Oh well.

Just to keep the conversation going, how would we rank the various national ideas involved? Korea's are pretty solid as a start.

Manchu, Qing, Oirats, Mongols, Yuan and to a lesser degree Dai Viet all have excellent ideas (especially Yuan). I'd say Korea's ideas are so so in comparison.

 

[moyang]

Korean/Vietnamese/Tibetan culture is sinicized by a decision, which isn't restricted by tag. Just switch primary culture then you'll be able to pass the decision.