Since the Byzantine Empire has the Pentarchy event, why not a "Roman Empire" event?

[Beamed]

Achem, we aren't really talking about the Roman Empire as it is in the game, we are talking about the empire as of Charlemagne's time and the illegitimacy of the HRE.

Yes. And as discussed, this is a pointless topic to dwell on, as no further attention will be paid to said 2 province minor.

 

[gela1212]

Yes. And as discussed, this is a pointless topic to dwell on, as no further attention will be paid to said 2 province minor.

Well, it's gotten attention over the last three expansions.....

 

[Beamed]

Well, it's gotten attention over the last three expansions.....

Yes. A ridiculous amount. To the point that all other nations, even the largest ones, are underdeveloped in comparison.

 

[gela1212]

I know. Just saying how you said "no further attention will be paid to a two province minor" when it's been given the most attention of any nation in this game (except in EU3 Vanilla)

 

[Garak]

EXACTLY! This was my point. The fact that you have to defend your argument and justify it is proof enough that your view on the matter is not a pure and indisputable fact. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing, but I'm saying that you're criticism of "western-centric" view shows that there must be some other counter view that goes contrary to that. Let's call this the "east-centric" view. If these views exist and there are people arguing with factual information on both sides, then neither can claim to be the indisputable truth. No matter one's passion, it's sometimes worthwhile to admit that things come in shades of gray.

Again, no. The only other view is the view of people who don't know what they're talking about, to put it bluntly. I don't want to sound rude, but that's really what it is. Saying the Byzantines are not the Roman Empire is simply historical ignorance. That's not anyone's fault, it's just a lack of information. It's just not an opinion based thing.

I know. Just saying how you said "no further attention will be paid to a two province minor" when it's been given the most attention of any nation in this game (except in EU3 Vanilla)

So it's been given more attention than Japan, which just had its entire starting position and gameplay fundamentally altered? Or more than, say, France, which has been tweaked and changed around and prodded in every expansion so far? That strikes me as a tad hyperbolic. Now if you want to say it's been given more attention than any other, similarly sized country, I'd probably agree, but not more than any other country period.

 

[gela1212]

Well, to be fair, Byzantines have technically been poked and prodded in every expansion too

Also, their gameplay was also fundamentally changed by an expansion, considering prior to it they didn't exist.

But, that's just me, and I suppose a case could be made for Japan.

 

[Garak]

Well, to be fair, Byzantines have technically been poked and prodded in every expansion too

Also, their gameplay was also fundamentally changed by an expansion, considering prior to it they didn't exist.

But, that's just me, and I suppose a case could be made for Japan.

True enough, but if we counted the HRE conglomerate in this, I think it would win the "most attention" award hands down. lol

 

[gela1212]

Ah, true is that. Accursed East Francia!

 

[Reman]

Modding in the Roman Empire isn't that hard... I did it in like 5 minutes.

 

[Dafool]

Again, no. The only other view is the view of people who don't know what they're talking about, to put it bluntly. I don't want to sound rude, but that's really what it is. Saying the Byzantines are not the Roman Empire is simply historical ignorance. That's not anyone's fault, it's just a lack of information. It's just not an opinion based thing.

Hmm, I fear you have proved my point all the more. Taking the most hardline and stubborn approach only further proves that it is not a simple fact that you seek to protect, but the opinions which you passionately hope to display as the indisputable truth. There is no lack of information and it is not historical ignorance. If there was a simple answer to the Rome vs Byzantine argument, each of these threads wouldn't turn into a 12 page long discussion. I highly doubt you''l budge in the argument, but then again that's not what I or many others would want, but instead it would probably benefit you to consider that there is more than one way to interpret a complex series of events. Just as you have valid reasons for holding your opinion on the subject at hand, so do others as well, regardless of if they agree or disagree with you.

 

[CSARebel]

Yes. And as discussed, this is a pointless topic to dwell on, as no further attention will be paid to said 2 province minor.

If such a pointless topic then why do you dwell here? Perhaps your time would be better spent working on ideas for your favorite country instead of worrying that another will get an undo amount of attention. Byz gets attention because it has a huge fan base and that sells expansion packs.

It has the fan base it does because it is such a great "what if".

 

[unmerged(297342)]

If there was a simple answer , each of these threads wouldn't turn into a long discussion.

I can't help but wonder how much time you actually spend on the internet.

 

[Moltke]

It amuses me how contentious a topic the Byzantine empire is on Paradox forums, to the point that people get angry and/or resort to name calling.

Well now that I think about it, that's not unique to the Byzantines, and in fact is why these forums are so heavily policed. History nuts, indeed.

 

[Nuril]

to the point that people get angry and/or resort to name calling.

The word "Ignorance", as recently used by Garak, is not name calling. It means lacking in knowledge on a subject. It does not mean "Stupid".

 

[Skyhunteren]

There is a mod that alows you to restore the Roman empire:
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...4-Rebirth-of-Rome-An-Alternative-Scenario-Mod
It is pretty good, you sohuld just save and reload the game after you have formed the roman empire.

Here is another mod in progress which will alow the same
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...ders-Ideas-Unique-Missions-Decisions-and-More!)

Edit: Didn't see that this was a 7 page post before I submited the links -.-'

 

[Helios Panoptes]

I don't see why you'd want to (re?)conquer western Europe as BYZ. Italy's not much of anything, and the near east is supposed to be absorbed by a empire ruling from Constantinople, but why wipe out the big three colonizers/military powers and kill off like 3/4ths of the game by 1461?

If you're going for World Conquest that's one thing, but there's a reason no Paradox game covers the time of the Roman Empire - total dominance is boring.


Edit: Actually, why should they get missions? England, France and Spain sure as hell aren't going to recognize Byzantium as their overlord immediately, so no free cores. Nobody is going to sit idly by and watch as BYZ swallows the entire civilized world, so no BB reduction...what are the missions supposed to give that you wouldn't get from just rampaging?

 

[CSARebel]

I don't see why you'd want to (re?)conquer western Europe as BYZ. Italy's not much of anything, and the near east is supposed to be absorbed by a empire ruling from Constantinople, but why wipe out the big three colonizers/military powers and kill off like 3/4ths of the game by 1461?

If you're going for World Conquest that's one thing, but there's a reason no Paradox game covers the time of the Roman Empire - total dominance is boring.


Edit: Actually, why should they get missions? England, France and Spain sure as hell aren't going to recognize Byzantium as their overlord immediately, so no free cores. Nobody is going to sit idly by and watch as BYZ swallows the entire civilized world, so no BB reduction...what are the missions supposed to give that you wouldn't get from just rampaging?

Yes cores...that is one thing it could give. And yes lower BB. Lower BB doesn't mean there will not be wars...I am in favor of western nations having a cause for war against a "Roman Empire" since it would be a threat. There is other bad things that go with a high BB number. The nations would also still have cores on the conquered areas.

Why would I want to conquer the west as BYZ...because I want a resurgent Roman Empire. Ist fun to play and try to make happen. Similar reasons I play any nation...I set a goal and try and achieve it, even if it didn't happen. Such as Spain in North America or playing as Portugal and trying to conquer India. BTW there was an Italian dictator that dreamed of a second Roman Empire. Not much of a point there other then there is a real life precedent for such a goal.

As for a game covering the Roman Empire there is a Paradox game called Rome...but yes it is the republic phase it covers so there is a point there that I can give to you. But a game could be made that would be interesting, in fact I have one called Imperivm Romanvm II The Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire.

Here is the thing for those of you that are so against BYZ events: Why do you care? It isn't something that takes away from your game at all. EUIII is basically a single player game. When played as a multiplayer game it wouldn't matter because other players wouldn't let BYZ get to that point.

 

[grommile]

Here is the thing for those of you that are so against BYZ events: Why do you care?

Because perhaps some country that isn't the two-bit wreckage of an ancient empire deserves some attention from the designers.

 

[Beamed]

If such a pointless topic then why do you dwell here? Perhaps your time would be better spent working on ideas for your favorite country instead of worrying that another will get an undo amount of attention. Byz gets attention because it has a huge fan base and that sells expansion packs.

It has the fan base it does because it is such a great "what if".

I'm pretty sure absolutely no one bought In Nomine only because of Byzantium.

And I dwell here because this is the best Balkan Nationalist thread around.

EDIT: And yeah. I would kill if a nation that actually changed world history during the EU period - like the Netherlands, the Timurids, the Manchu, or the Songhai - were given a fraction of the attention Byzantium was. The closest is the Netherlands, with their grand total of zero cores in events.. and that's if they ever form. It is ridiculous.

 

[unmerged(102585)]

Personaly I like the idea however i think they should do some more events for all the major nations maybe another expansion I'd buy it.